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Offline CharlieT

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Re: Question on an open title, how to go about this properly
« Reply #175 on: August 19, 2008, 09:26:05 AM »
AH, different state laws. In Mich9igan, where this title would be from, there is no requirement for a notarized title. If an owner has a title with no bank lein on it, it is considered a "clear title". When he sells it to someone, then he signs off of it and the new ownder simple fills in his own info and signs whenever he wants and then takes it to the Sec of State office. No notarizing needed at all. In fact, if you have a title that was signed off by the previous owner, you don't even have to sign it and title it yourself if you don't intend to register it for plates, though technically you are suposed to.

Say you bought it just to resell it real quick. The previous owner signs off the title, you take the title and sell the bike to someone else the next day and you just give them the title signed off of by the previous owner without ever having re-titled it in your name. As long as that title is clear ( no leins) and is signed off of by the previous owner, it is a good title. The party that yuo resold it to would just fill in their info and take it to the SoS office. Plain and simple.

SO in this case, since it is a Michigan title you are talking about, it is a clear and good title. That's why I wasn't familar with your term, "open title". In fact you buy any bike from MI and that is what you are going to get
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Re: Question on an open title, how to go about this properly
« Reply #176 on: August 19, 2008, 09:49:22 AM »
Pretty much the same in Indiana, Charlie, except you just go to the DMV.
I had no trouble titling my last two, bought from a middleman like that (in-state).
The original owner had signed off, I just added my stuff and went to DMV.

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Re: Question on an open title, how to go about this properly
« Reply #177 on: August 22, 2008, 08:10:05 PM »
An open title is where the current owner pre-signs it for release.  In North Carolina your signature has to be notarized by the DMV.  Banks can notarize the transfer, but they won't do it unless their notary witnesses the simultaneous signing by the seller AND the buyer. Presumably the buyer takes it to HIS DMV and has the title transferred to his name.  Occasionally, a buyer will decide to save money and not transfer the title if he plans on doing some work and turning the bike over. 

I bought a bike last year from a guy in Arizona who told me he had the title in hand.  Silly me- it was from the guy HE bought it from and there were leagal issues because the title was actually owned by a trust or estate or something.  It took 9 more months to get a clear title. 


PS;  In North Carolina, you can not transfer a title and get a registration / plate without proof of insurance.  Notary fee is $7 CASH ONLY in additon to any taxes and fees.


So basically, what I'd be looking for if I bought a bike that was in NC (and had been registered in NC) would be a title that's the seller has already had notarized, then I'd go to the DMV to transfer the title into my name (along with registration, proof of ins., etc)? I probably should have gone to the DMV and asked them in person for a thorough explanation before I left for VA today, but I'll be back there in a couple weeks anyway :)

Another thing is that I might not be able to register and transfer the title into my name for a couple weeks to a month after I end up buying a bike - it'll probably be sitting in my shop in my folks' finished basement. If I read the NC DMV site correctly, I'd have to pay a $15 late fee if I don't get the title transferred to me within 28 days after delivery? If that's all I don't mind that, I just don't want to have the bike sitting for over a month before I can get my insurance and register it and then realize I've got a pile of fees to pay.

Sorry if I'm bothering you, you seem to have some experience at this in our state, thanks :)

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Bikes Without Titles?
« Reply #178 on: September 23, 2008, 10:51:49 AM »
Hey guys,

Here's the deal.  I am looking at a couple of project bikes from Georgia that are non running project bikes.  They are 1979 models.  In Georgia bikes do not have to be titled until, I think, 1984.  In Alabama, everytthing from 1976 on up has to be titled.

I think all I need from this guy is a notarized bill of sale and I can get a title in Alabama.  Has anyone ever bought a bike from a state that didn't need a title and brought it to a state that requires a title?  Anything that I need to get from the guy other than a notarized bill of sale?


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Re: Bikes Without Titles?
« Reply #179 on: September 23, 2008, 10:57:34 AM »
If he happens to have an old registration paper he could sign over that helps. I know I got my CB750K6 from NH and i got a bill of sale and the guy signed over his very faded and beat up registration to me. That's all I needed...well then I had to fill out forms at the DMV of course.
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Re: Bikes Without Titles?
« Reply #180 on: September 23, 2008, 11:06:32 AM »
i did a bunch of years ago.get a bill of sale and send it to one of the title companies talked about on here all the time,sorry i cant think of them at the moment.good luck
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Re: Bikes Without Titles?
« Reply #181 on: September 23, 2008, 11:08:35 AM »
If he happens to have an old registration paper he could sign over that helps. I know I got my CB750K6 from NH and i got a bill of sale and the guy signed over his very faded and beat up registration to me. That's all I needed...well then I had to fill out forms at the DMV of course.

This is pretty much what I thought.  I don't think I will have to get a title company involved.  The titles on the bikes aren't lost.  They just never had any.

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« Reply #182 on: September 23, 2008, 12:51:27 PM »
Exactly, so unless it's very different from NY, they won't care. They just ran the VIN at the DMV to make sure it didn't come up with any flags...but with something that old it probably won't come up as anything lol. That's what happened with me.

You couldn't even read most of the registration he signed over to me, but with stuff this old unless you get a real jerk I don't see it being a problem. Just make sure you ASK if you have everything you need before turning anything in or you might get screwed somehow. I know the VIN on my title is JUST the numbers, not the letters at the beginning...not sure if they goofed with that but either way I now have a nice fresh NY title for a 1976 cb750k so I don't care.
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Re: Bikes Without Titles?
« Reply #183 on: September 23, 2008, 03:16:06 PM »
I just did this with a bill of sale from a state that doesn't title older vehicles.  Absolutely NO PROBLEM.

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Re: Bikes Without Titles?
« Reply #184 on: September 23, 2008, 08:48:47 PM »
Contact ITS Title Service. They do the whole thing for you. Gammaflat and both used them. I think the web is ITS-title.com.
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Re: Bikes Without Titles?
« Reply #185 on: September 23, 2008, 09:39:00 PM »
Pre-1976 vehicles can be registered in Alabama with just a bill of sale. Federal excise tax is collected when the vehicle is registered at the tune of 3% (IIRC). Make sure the bill of sale says $125. ;)
If it is a 76 or newer, you have to have a title. If a title search (determines if the vehicle was ever titled in AL.) turns up nothing you can get a "rebuilders" title and register the vehicle that way.

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PO holding onto my bike's title
« Reply #186 on: December 17, 2008, 10:18:10 AM »
So in June I sold my '74 Yamaha TX500 twin to purchase a 1975 CB550K.  The guy I bought the bike from tried to give me the title that he got from the man he purchased the bike from.  It had the buyer and seller info filled out on it and I explained to him that I need the updated title in his name signed over to me.  He was moving back to California and this was the reason he was selling the bike; to fund his trip back where he had the title at his folks house.  He promised to mail it immediately once he got back to Cali, but turns out he lost the title.  After several months of me constantly asking him to send me a title, he filled out a lost title paperwork and got a new one.  About a month ago, he told me he got the new title and needed my address to send it to me.  I have not received it in the mail and he won't answer my messages.  Is there something I can do to motivate him to send the title?  I have the bill of sale which explicitly states that he will surrender the title and once he does, I will make the final payment on the bike (I bought for $500 and only gave him $450. I know I know, $50 doesn't motivate people very much!).  Six months is way too long for me!  I haven't been able to rider her because I can't register without a title!  Any help is appreciated!





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Re: PO holding onto my bike's title
« Reply #187 on: December 17, 2008, 10:28:04 AM »
AFAIK, you have no LEGAL recourse at all.    :(

If he holds the title, you even run the risk of having problems with him claiming you stole it or something, bill-of-sale or no.  He'd likely lose in court, of course, but you'd still be in for your share of pain-in-the-arse hassles.

Buying a bike without a title is ALWAYS a gamble...  I've done it a time or two myself, though. 

Good luck with it all,

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« Reply #188 on: December 17, 2008, 11:26:24 AM »
Well if anything I learned a lesson.  Hopefully someone else can learn from my mistake.  DON'T PURCHASE A BIKE WITHOUT TITLE IN HAND!!!!  I guess I'll continue to try to contact him.

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« Reply #189 on: December 17, 2008, 11:34:17 AM »
Well if anything I learned a lesson.  Hopefully someone else can learn from my mistake.  DON'T PURCHASE A BIKE WITHOUT TITLE IN HAND!!!!  I guess I'll continue to try to contact him.
"Possession being 9/10ths of the law..."

Possession and a Bill of Sale...I'd check with your local Motor vehicle dept. explain it to them. Maybe send a registered/return receipt letter to the PO to document your attempt. Then get CO to issue you a title. They'd run the VIN, they should issue you some sort of provisional title.


Pretty sure it would work in IN.
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Re: "Possession being 9/10ths of the law..."
« Reply #190 on: December 17, 2008, 12:39:28 PM »
"Possession being 9/10ths of the law..."

Possession and a Bill of Sale...I'd check with your local Motor vehicle dept. explain it to them. Maybe send a registered/return receipt letter to the PO to document your attempt. Then get CO to issue you a title. They'd run the VIN, they should issue you some sort of provisional title.


Pretty sure it would work in IN.


Yeah, good luck with that!   ::) ;D 

My experience with DMV's over the years is that they are the least helpful, most bureaucratic, obstructionist group of nannies I've ever encountered...

But hey, whatever works...   ;D

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Re: "Possession being 9/10ths of the law..."
« Reply #191 on: December 17, 2008, 01:04:40 PM »
"Possession being 9/10ths of the law..."

Possession and a Bill of Sale...I'd check with your local Motor vehicle dept. explain it to them. Maybe send a registered/return receipt letter to the PO to document your attempt. Then get CO to issue you a title. They'd run the VIN, they should issue you some sort of provisional title.


Pretty sure it would work in IN.


Yeah, good luck with that!   ::) ;D 

My experience with DMV's over the years is that they are the least helpful, most bureaucratic, obstructionist group of nannies I've ever encountered...

But hey, whatever works...   ;D
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I had two recent experiences, renewing a drivers license and titling a new car. 10 minutes each, amazing service. And I was listening to other customers and service people and they were all saying the same thing.

Many years ago I moved back here from AZ. I had a CL90 without a title. I did have to take it downtown to the State Police HQ, but they ran the VIN, gave me a go ahead slip, which I took to the BMV, and they gave me a title. I think under the new regime, it would even be less painful than that.

Flag down a SP, they can run the VINs on their in car laptops.
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Re: PO holding onto my bike's title
« Reply #192 on: December 17, 2008, 01:07:54 PM »
Put what contact info you have up here..............

...........I'll have a look around and see what I can dig up ;D

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« Reply #193 on: December 17, 2008, 01:15:38 PM »
I had two recent experiences, renewing a drivers license and titling a new car. 10 minutes each, amazing service. And I was listening to other customers and service people and they were all saying the same thing.

Many years ago I moved back here from AZ. I had a CL90 without a title. I did have to take it downtown to the State Police HQ, but they ran the VIN, gave me a go ahead slip, which I took to the BMV, and they gave me a title. I think under the new regime, it would even be less painful than that.

Flag down a SP, they can run the VINs on their in car laptops.


Well, to be fair, I've had GOOD experiences with the DMV, too, but almost always in "normal" scenarios - renewing driver's licenses, change of address, transferring existing titles, PAYING YOUR FEES, etc.

But, most of time, it seems as if they're convinced there is NO legitimate reason or scenario why anyone could possibly have an untitled vehicle in their possession, short of theft, and you're treated accordingly...   :D

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« Reply #194 on: December 17, 2008, 01:42:17 PM »
Thanks to everyone who posted.  I'll definitely try at the DMV and see what they can do for me.

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« Reply #195 on: December 17, 2008, 02:29:25 PM »
Take Seaweb up on his offer.

Oh, and I'd light a FIRECRACKER under the PO's butt.  ;D
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« Reply #197 on: December 17, 2008, 02:46:55 PM »





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I'd take him up on his offer.

This member seems to know how to 'get things done'.

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« Reply #198 on: December 17, 2008, 02:52:20 PM »
Oooh goodie. Can I watch? Hold on while I get a brewski and some pretzels and drag up the comfie chair. ;)
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« Reply #199 on: December 17, 2008, 02:56:20 PM »
CU2151-

This is what seaweb, medic09, firecracker, mark, and nickjtc are referring to:

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