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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2014, 05:37:51 PM »
Okay, I will check that first thing tomorrow.

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2014, 03:26:08 PM »
Checked the black... It has 10.43v to it. Do you think it just isn't putting enough power out to it for it to run?

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2014, 04:33:02 PM »
I checked the battery yesterday and it was at about 12+v, but definitely below 12.8v (can't remember exactly what it was off the top of my head). It is brand new but I haven't been able to start the bike long enough to charge it. I'm guessing you'll suggest that I charge it? I don't normally run the starter and just kick it...or have when I had it running twice.   I'll hook the battery up to the charger overnight and see how it goes tomorrow.

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2014, 04:33:10 PM »
Congrats by the way!

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2014, 04:39:06 AM »
I have not checked the clutch safety switch, where do I find it?  The solenoid and starter do work, but I don't believe I've had enough juice to start it with the starter.

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2014, 09:11:47 AM »
The clutch safety switch works as far as I know. Without the clutch engaged it will not start. I charged the battery all last night so will check the voltage when I get home....but, my tank isn't back from the body guy yet. I can hook up the 550 tank for now just to get it started.

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2014, 04:45:16 PM »
So battery is up to 13.5v and the black horn wire is at 11.3v. Should be enough to power the horn, right?

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2014, 06:06:05 PM »
Alright.....so then the switch is bad? Or is there a problem with the light green ground interrupter?

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2014, 04:22:32 PM »
Alright....horn works hooked directly to the battery. How do I check the wiring from the switch to the horn to see if it is that or the switch? I do t want to have to buy a new switch if it ends up being the wiring.

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2014, 05:52:21 PM »
The pictures are dark, but I hope you can see them okay. So light green coming out of the switch going to the connector (don't pay attention to the splice). The light green goes directly to the horn where you can also see black and green (ground). The horn has two connectors and what appears to be a screw for a ground.  However, the diagram shows positive and negative and not the screw.

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2014, 06:21:50 PM »
Yes, they're coming from the left control. The schematics for a 78 should just be black and light green. Yes, they're in the headlight bucket. I'll try to get a better shot of the wire coming out of the control but it will have to be tomorrow and the wires are pretty well covered.

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2014, 06:45:37 PM »
Alright. I had it open yesterday and it looked good. How do I test it?

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2014, 06:56:05 PM »
the diagram shows positive and negative and not the screw.

The screw is not an electrical connection...


The test for the horn button is a simple test for continuity (when the button is pressed). This can be checked at the leads without dismantling the controls.
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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2014, 07:03:16 PM »
Alright so the connectors (for the horn)...I attach black from the multimeter to the control light green at the horn connection and red to the black connection. Key off, continuity test, correct?

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2014, 07:18:21 PM »
Alright so the connectors (for the horn)...I attach black from the multimeter to the control light green at the horn connection and red to the black connection. Key off, continuity test, correct?

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>Key off, switch disconnected.
>Set the multimeter to "ohms" or "continuity".
>Provided that the light green wire is the one from the horn button,  it doesn't matter which lead goes where, just connect one lead to the light green wire (from the switch) and the other lead to ground. Any ground will due, either ground it to the frame, engine, or the green ground wires in the main harness. Might want to check continuity of your main harness ground wires while you're at it (from harness ground wire to frame or engine).
>Press the horn button to test for continuity between light green and ground.

Viola'! Multimeter 101.

The horn button completes the ground circuit to the horn to complete the circuit when the button is pressed. DC voltage 101...
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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2014, 02:43:20 PM »
Checked continuity of the main harness ground wires and I'm good there.

However, no continuity for the switch.   Here is the picture showing the wire connecting into the switch (I cannot get the screw out and have begun stripping the head).  So looks like I need a new switch then, right?


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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2014, 02:46:26 PM »
Can I just run my starter wires into the horn wires since I usually kick? I don't want to have to buy a switch for $50 just for the horn.  Or do you guys have another suggestion?

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2014, 03:14:31 PM »
Shouldn't there only be continuity when the button is pushed? When the button is pushed there is still no continuity, why wouldn't it mean that it's not the switch?

If I just picked up a toggle switch and ran a new wire that would temporarily solve both potential problems right? Or should I not go that route?

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2014, 05:51:22 PM »
Then Wilbur explained the continuity test incorrectly? Red and black probes should both be on light green to ensure continuity through the wire, right? Not one on light green and the other on ground.

That being said, I have not confirmed whether or not light green has continuity. I'm really still leaning toward a bad switch.

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2014, 06:24:11 PM »
Alright so voltage on black at the switch and then continuity on light green?

I def appreciate it, but Keene is still quite a drive from the seacoast.

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2014, 06:28:57 PM »
Then Wilbur explained the continuity test incorrectly?

I kind of thought the term "continuity" was self explanatory... i.e. "continuous" unbroken connection.

Check the meter first. In the "ohm" or "continuity" setting, touch the meter probes together and see if your meter will even test continuity. Most meters require a battery for this function, and if your meters battery is dead this function likely will not work.

The horn switch completes the circuit to ground, so activating the horn button should complete a continuous (continuity?) connection to ground.


Continuity doesn't require any activation from a switch, current does. The probes on either end seek each other and send a signal to and from. Your meter registers if it's received. Basically.

The current generated by the battery in the meter when testing "ohms" or "continuity".

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No, he was correct in orientation. He was indicating on how to test your light green at the switch for continuity to ground. I want you to test the black wire at the switch for power, and for continuity to the horn.

To check the light green wire, set the meter for "ohm" or "continuity" and touch one probe to one end of the light green wire in the headlight bucket and the other probe to the other end of the light green wire where it connects to the switch. This will tell you whether the light green wire is broken or not. Then continue to proceed with the aforementioned test for continuity across the switch itself.

There is no black wire at the horn switch, unless you are referring to the black wire from the ignition switch. To test the switched voltage (ignition switch) with the ignition switch on, the black wire at the horn should read 12v (or any black wire in the harness for that matter), meter set to read DC volts, red probe to black horn wire, or any black wire for that matter. I know, red to black is counter intuitive (black is hot, go figure). Then connect black probe to ground (or any green wire), and again, ignition switch on will test the voltage supply to the horn and numerous other circuits..

Read carefully. Electrical circuits are simple logic circuits... which means they aren't very understanding when wires are crossed!  :o

Which also means do not try to test for ohms or continuity on an energized circuit. You can fry the meter...  ;)

When testing for continuity you will want to make sure the ignition switch is off, and you can even disconnect the battery to be absolutely certain if you are unsure about any of the procedures described above, or in the link below:


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CE4QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnadp.sws.uiuc.edu%2Fcal%2FPDF%2FMultimeterUse.pdf&ei=98vJU67EJpLNsQSm1oGoCg&usg=AFQjCNFV6VPvPy0vTWBEGGc6gXk0KIJxjQ&sig2=GxFMhYD6kv1aElHubfXHhA&bvm=bv.71198958,d.cWc


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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2014, 03:01:02 PM »
Alright so I have continuity for the light green. Checked it from where it connects at the switch to where it would plug in at the horn. So I have power at black and continuity without depressing the horn button from the switch to the horn.

Bad switch now?

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2014, 03:18:17 PM »
Shouldn't there only be continuity when the button is pushed?

Yes

When the button is pushed there is still no continuity, why wouldn't it mean that it's not the switch?

It would either be the contacts in the switch, or the switch is not grounded. Did you attach the switch housing back on the handlebars for the continuity test? I believe the switch is grounded through the switch housing to the handlebar.
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Offline sethmcalister

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2014, 04:28:04 PM »
I did not reattach to the bars...how do I test the wire at the switch if the switch is reattached at the bars; I wouldn't be able to access the the wire soldered to the switch if the controls were reattached.  Am I misunderstanding something here?

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Re: 78 cb750 wiring help on NH seacoast
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2014, 04:59:31 PM »
Between the light green wire in the headlight bucket and ground. You have already verified the light green wire is intact with your continuity test of the light green wire. Now put the switch assembly back on the bars and test the switches continuity to ground.



Have you ever had the switch assembly attached to the bars for your horn "tests"?
« Last Edit: July 19, 2014, 05:06:36 PM by madmtnmotors »
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