Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris

[simon#42]

.. there is a difference between free speech and advocating violence. Perhaps the arrestee was doing more than expressing his right to free speech and espousing continued acts.

Couldn't agree more. However, in the case I have in mind, the details seem sketchy in terms of actually advocating more violence, not sure though.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/14/377201227/controversial-french-comedian-arrested-over-facebook-post-on-paris-attacks

he is not a popular figure with the french authorities on a good day , with the mood as it is now in france i can see how his humour would be particularly offensive .

we had a case here last year with a premiership footballer nicolas anelka being banned from playing for making his quenelle gesture which was deemed anti semitic .

[Maurice]

A bit of background: that comedian is being harassed because he's openly anti-semite. France has a strong past with it, for example holocaust denial is illegal (and is so in most European countries). There was also "collaboration" with the Nazis during WWII, something they'd like to atone for.

There is this fine line, and then there's context, history, etc.

What I dread most is the resurgence of the far-right. These events are giving them a huge boost.

[Bob Wessner]

I've heard of the holocaust denial laws, but it is hard to legislate against ignorance.

[Maurice]

It is no excuse.

[Bob Wessner]

Maurice, I was referring to ignorance in relation to the holocaust, not the laws. 

[Maurice]

Sorry. When you grow up in Europe it is really hard to deny it, it takes real effort. I guess it's in the same vein as the moon landings, blew my mind when I found out people thought they were fake. Hopeless...

[BobbyR]

I've heard of the holocaust denial laws, but it is hard to legislate against ignorance.

Bob,

It is hard to understand because you are an American. We have our Holocaust deniers but it means less here since it did not happen around here.

   

[demon78]

Because I of that age there were people in the squadron who had (toured)? been through the camps and were more than able to convince you that it happened I think there are more deniers now than there were.
Bill the demon.

[Markcb750]

I read the Pope is stating that there are limits to free speech, After stating that there must be free speech he added the qualifier . You cannot make fun of the faith of others."

By framing his statement in this way he is clearly placing part of the blame on the magazine. In fact he must take this position to protect his own.  He truly is firing the same gun the terrorists use to fire their own passions.

 

Trial and error continues, it seems we humans run the same trial for eons with the same negative result.   Lets hope we find an answer before too many more lose their lives.

[simon#42]

A bit of background: that comedian is being harassed because he's openly anti-semite. France has a strong past with it, for example holocaust denial is illegal (and is so in most European countries). There was also "collaboration" with the Nazis during WWII, something they'd like to atone for.

There is this fine line, and then there's context, history, etc.

What I dread most is the resurgence of the far-right. These events are giving them a huge boost.

yes the far right are having a field day at the moment , they will protect us from the muslims just like hitler protected the germans from the jews .
luckily we all have much better access to information these days and with luck wont be fooled as easy
the enemy of our enemy is not always our friend .

[750cafe]

Here is a long list of some of the good things that this religion of peace has done around the world to make it a better place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

We should all love them equally in return.   

[vfourfreak]

A few anti terrorist actions have taken place in Belgium in the past 2 hours. Inital reports suggest two dead, not among the police.

Is there no end ?

Kev

[demon78]

Of course not Kev the pendulum hasn't swung far enough yet. By the way I like the mayor of Rotterdam's take on it folks, that should work for all fundamentalists
Bill the demon.

[Markcb750]

He said what he said  freedom of speech is OK as long as your freedom does not point out the problems with any religion.  The rest of it is boiler plate.


The Pope's statement is just the sternest he can pronounce because the West has seen that it's religious leaders might not really have unique insight into truth.  Perhaps Islam will learn the same lesson.

[Markcb750]

If we are to accept religion as a protected class of communication what is it to stop a government from declaring their "beliefs" as sacrosanct?

Free speech is, or it isn’t.  To declare some speech as beyond criticism is to start down the road to the Kings  & Commies.   

The Popes a nice guy, he seems to understand humans a little better than his predecessors, but he should not get away with this statement which blames the journalist for the attack.

[Killer Canary]

Less pride and arrogance and more reason all around would make all of this go away.

[EuroFag]

the intolerant PC.

Amen, brother.
Political correctness is the worst thing since feminism. Just an excuse to attack white males.
PC = hateful liberals
Glad we see it the same way.

[Retro Rocket]

the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals

Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned.....

[demon78]

I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
Bill the demon.

[EuroFag]

the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals

Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned.....

The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!   

[Retro Rocket]

[/quote]

I agree with what you are saying Cal with one exception if the religion comes knocking on my door and I politely decline proselytizing and it's pushed I will destroy with humor or other to drive them away for there limits on the other end as well.
Bill the demon.

Same here Bill, we get the Jehovah's witnesses a lot round here, I tell them "i'm a Jehovah's bystander, I'm not like the witnesses, i don't like getting involved....

[Retro Rocket]

the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals

Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned.....

The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!   

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself....  

[EuroFag]

the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals

Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned.....

The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!   

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself....

Ok Bro. 
Religion isn't political?  Right, I'm the ignorant one.

[Retro Rocket]

the intolerant PC.

PC = hateful liberals

Interesting, your display of ignorance is part of the problem, labeling PC the bane of liberals is typical right wing rubbish and completely unhelpful. Being new here you probably don't know that political statements are banned.....

The name of the thread is " Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris "  How's that not political?
Why are you calling me names?  You've proven my point.
Thx, have a nice day!   

Listen mate, you started by labelling, calling names and putting everyone into your convenient little box, i just told you forum etiquette, you'll soon find out, just in case you haven't worked it out, this was a religious attack, keep your twisted politics to yourself....

Ok Bro. 
Religion isn't political?  Right, I'm the ignorant one.

Glad you worked that out mate...

[demon78]

RR right on. +1 Further to your comment shortly after my wife died I received a religious type with daughter, the thought I was ripe to received the word of "GOD" I had a lapse and was polite (I still not sure why) instead of simply telling him to #$%* off and die and get off my property my politeness was construed to be something else and the second round started I finally had to tell him to go away, disgusting.
Bill the demon.