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CB750 F2 Help identify this part
« on: June 04, 2015, 06:48:15 PM »
I'm helping a friend do a top end rebuild on a 1977 CB750 F2 and we found these conical o-rings on the outer intake and exhaust studs on cylinders 2 and three under the jugs. Are these the same as part #6 on the fiche?

http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb750f-750-super-sport-1977-usa_model491/partslist/E++03.html#results

What's their purpose? There doesn't appear to be an oil channel around those studs.

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Re: CB750 F2 Help identify this part
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2015, 08:11:57 PM »
That is correct. That is where they belong, and there is no oil return at this location. That is why they are required. They also require acorn nuts and copper washers up top. These four studs were abandoned as oil returns because the new "F" model head castings exposed these four cylinder studs to the atmosphere where they pass through the head. If you do not seal these at the top and bottom then one or more of three things can happen:

>Oil can be pushed up from below and leak out onto the head where these studs are exposed
>The elements (rain, sand, mud, rust) can find their way into the crankcase if you don't seal these entry points down low
>Oil potentially can weep past the threads of a standard head bolt nut from above and leak out onto the head where these studs are exposed to the atmosphere where they pass through the head

Part number six is a fat little o-ring that gets pressed into a conical shape by the shape of the casting at the bottom of the barrels at these four stud locations.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2015, 06:56:06 AM by madmtnmotors »
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Re: CB750 F2 Help identify this part
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2015, 06:08:34 AM »
Thanks for the info. Now the hard part. Does anyone know where I can get some? They are out of stock/obsolete everywhere I've checked. Or, is there an alternative part that I can use in it's place?

5.5x3 o-rings. Honda part #91301-410-000

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Re: CB750 F2 Help identify this part
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2015, 06:38:05 AM »
Awesome, thanks. I will add that site to my bookmarks as I bet I will be ordering from them many times in the future.

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Re: CB750 F2 Help identify this part
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2015, 06:47:33 AM »
please check out this thread, if you haven't already.
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
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Re: CB750 F2 Help identify this part
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2015, 06:57:42 AM »
There is also a link to a post in my signature for sourcing these o-rings. Honda doesn't package them for the CB750 engine any longer, but they still use these o-rings in other engines.
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Charging system diagnosis: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.msg8345#msg8345
Get the manuals: http://manuals.sohc4.net/cb750k/
The Dragon: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.msg1571675#msg1571675
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