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« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2016, 07:01:22 PM »
I did a Ducsti Monster tank not too long ago for a buddy that had a similar, bad crease. What a frickin' bear that was due to the modern innards. The freeze/heat trick won't work on creases; you're right about that. Push or pull- thems the only options  :-\
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« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2016, 07:03:04 PM »
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What side of the tank is the fuel gauge float mech. mounted inside ?
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« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2016, 08:05:17 PM »
Just buy a new tank
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« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2016, 08:43:15 PM »
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What side of the tank is the fuel gauge float mech. mounted inside ?

if the float is on the right side of the tank then a body repairman could reach inside from there and push out the dent from the same side?
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« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2016, 03:26:15 AM »
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What side of the tank is the fuel gauge float mech. mounted inside ?

Dent side.

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« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2016, 03:27:11 AM »
Just buy a new tank

Tank is to clean Steve, worth a try first.

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« Reply #81 on: February 19, 2016, 03:34:15 AM »
Might have a shot if I remove the fuel gauge assembly. As you can tell by the tape it's reachable.





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« Reply #82 on: February 19, 2016, 04:41:14 AM »
Nice  8),I would see if someone has a gradually curved special tool(someone who works on tanks) that will put even pressure on the full dent;I tried using a long straight thin steel bar on one once and it made it worse..
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« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2016, 04:49:14 AM »
I'll research that. I have gaskets coming so that will give me the sizing of the actual hole. Don't want to remove anything at this time. Still scrubbing.

Any used tank will also have issues and more than likely will need painting and/or cleaning. Silver was only offered in 82 as far as I can tell. New one from the Netherlands is $560 plus shipping. Not feasible for a 82 Suzuki.

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« Reply #84 on: February 19, 2016, 04:51:05 AM »
Nice  8),I would see if someone has a gradually curved special tool(someone who works on tanks) that will put even pressure on the full dent;I tried using a long straight thin steel bar on one once and it made it worse..

That's exactly what concerns me attempting this little feat.

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« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2016, 05:35:33 AM »
work the dent through the filler cap. The rod needs a point of leverage to push against as you push the tip (always use round stock bars, never flat) into the dent. Start at the top or bottom of the dent, never in the middle. Work gently and slowly down the crease, raising the edges as you go. As you approach the "middle third" of that crease's length, switch to working form the other end (top down first, bottom up second, then the middle). This way you won't drive the crease deeper into the middle portion, but coax the metal up.

You can buy a PDR tool from an online supply house. Get a 3/8" tool, probably about 2' long (trust me, you'll need leverage) and cover the tip of the rod with Duct tape to reduce the sharpness of the point. If the tip is too acute, it has the potential to dimple the metal internally and leave small blemishes.

The one thing you'll want is a light source laid along the tank to show you the shadow of the dent. As you repair the dent, the shadow disappears, thus the metal is flush. Its how body guys see dents and dings. Dents distort light and create shadows that you can detect. (I know you probably know this, but it's an explanation for others who may follow your progress).

Lastly, leave the tank mounted securely on the bike, bike strapped to a lift. You'll be leaning on the rod pretty good, and need the counter-weight. This will enable you to drive the metal without chasing it all over the shop. Just keep an eye on the filer neck that you don't push so hard against it to deform the metal around it.

I did a tank for Stev-o that was a survivor. Couldn't get it perfect, but among the flaws was the fill neck was depressed. Used a puller to jerk it up back to stock level. The neck came out pretty darn well that I'm not sure he ever knew.
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« Reply #86 on: February 19, 2016, 05:40:27 AM »
work the dent through the filler cap. The rod needs a point of leverage to push against as you push the tip (always use round stock bars, never flat) into the dent. Start at the top or bottom of the dent, never in the middle. Work gently and slowly down the crease, raising the edges as you go. As you approach the "middle third" of that crease's length, switch to working form the other end (top down first, bottom up second, then the middle). This way you won't drive the crease deeper into the middle portion, but coax the metal up.

You can buy a PDR tool from an online supply house. Get a 3/8" tool, probably about 2' long (trust me, you'll need leverage) and cover the tip of the rod with Duct tape to reduce the sharpness of the point. If the tip is too acute, it has the potential to dimple the metal internally and leave small blemishes.

The one thing you'll want is a light source laid along the tank to show you the shadow of the dent. As you repair the dent, the shadow disappears, thus the metal is flush. Its how body guys see dents and dings. Dents distort light and create shadows that you can detect. (I know you probably know this, but it's an explanation for others who may follow your progress).

Lastly, leave the tank mounted securely on the bike, bike strapped to a lift. You'll be leaning on the rod pretty good, and need the counter-weight. This will enable you to drive the metal without chasing it all over the shop. Just keep an eye on the filer neck that you don't push so hard against it to deform the metal around it.

I did a tank for Stev-o that was a survivor. Couldn't get it perfect, but among the flaws was the fill neck was depressed. Used a puller to jerk it up back to stock level. The neck came out pretty darn well that I'm not sure he ever knew.

I think I have a project for you.  ;)

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« Reply #87 on: February 19, 2016, 05:50:09 AM »
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« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2016, 06:09:26 AM »
Then pull it off the bike, flush it really well with warm soapy water, fog it with some Marvel or other suitable oil, and ship it along. If you can pull the float, that would be great. I'll pm you an address.
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« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2016, 06:56:56 AM »
tt,
That float assembly has a neoprene gasket(The GS1100EZ model I had did w/ same 'champagne' color)and should be re-useable.
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« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2016, 08:26:05 AM »
Then pull it off the bike, flush it really well with warm soapy water, fog it with some Marvel or other suitable oil, and ship it along. If you can pull the float, that would be great. I'll pm you an address.


Got it. It's going to be a while before I get to that but appreciated. I'll be in touch.

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« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2016, 08:26:51 AM »
tt,
That float assembly has a neoprene gasket(The GS1100EZ model I had did w/ same 'champagne' color)and should be re-useable.

No worries, I have all new ones ordered. It's what I do.  ;)

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« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2016, 08:41:52 AM »
Wanted to see where I stood on the wheels so I hit the back one. I'll be able to detail more when it's off the bike.


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« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2016, 08:52:44 AM »
The wheel looks nice.This bike of yours even has the oem orig. back tire,didn't get much use did it?  8)
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« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2016, 09:02:19 AM »
I have a receipt showing they were replaced long ago. IRC GS11 which I'll use when I purchase new tires, tubes and rim strips.

As advertised on TV I thought I would give these a try. Things that don't work in Arizona are used for target practice anyway.  ;)

I am happy to report these work very well and can be used on just about everything. TT recommended.

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« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2016, 12:12:50 PM »
Those (Henry Abe) wheels look nice.  Suzuki used them on the earlier GS550, too.
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« Reply #97 on: February 20, 2016, 03:56:12 AM »
Those (Henry Abe) wheels look nice.  Suzuki used them on the earlier GS550, too.

I wasn't a big fan but after cleaning I love them. The front, left side, cleaned up nice but not as good on the right. It will suffice however.

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« Reply #98 on: February 20, 2016, 05:52:13 AM »
Nothing like getting goofy with "goof off" in the morning with nicotine and caffeine.

Removing these State stickers is just a pian in the "". The trick was to remove one above and below the OEM decal.

Worked well with the exception of a raw throat.

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« Reply #99 on: February 20, 2016, 08:41:14 AM »
Thanks for taking those off!  Was a pain?  A margarita would have helped...
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