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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2019, 05:53:36 am »
Just talked to him yesterday.  He's okay.  Been busy it seemed.  He will be in Valdosta but may not race this time. The rest of the guys wouldn't have a base camp if Billy didn't come. Lol.

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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2019, 05:35:24 am »
In a fight with time right now to get the new bike completed to take to the Man Cup race. Also doing maintenance to the F3.  I'll have at least one Honda on the property.

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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2019, 07:41:21 am »
Well,  i could be pushing myself for nothing.🙄

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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2019, 10:43:49 am »
uh oh.... i didn't see that forecast. I guess they'll push into next week?

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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2019, 12:09:42 pm »
I guess they'll push into next week?

Not likely. Weather looks good Sunday, similar to what we had at the spring race last year. Saturday started raining just before the first two bikes could stage and rained all day. Sunday was declared double points and double purse for the bracket classes. I made it to round five on Sunday which managed to help me reach 10th in overall points last year for Street ET.
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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2019, 02:35:17 pm »
I guess they'll push into next week?

Not likely. Weather looks good Sunday, similar to what we had at the spring race last year. Saturday started raining just before the first two bikes could stage and rained all day. Sunday was declared double points and double purse for the bracket classes. I made it to round five on Sunday which managed to help me reach 10th in overall points last year for Street ET.

Unfortunately, they have pushed the Finals event into Monday if they bump against the track curfew on sunday nite. The rules dictate that procedure. With the bad weather in the forecast, the count could be low enough to get the race done on sunday. I'm now re-evaluating my decision to come based on the weather prediction. I hate to miss it but I really don't want to throw away my time or money just to watch the rain from my trailer. Its a 7 hour tow from SC to SGMP. Plus ill be back at the track for the KOG race a week or so later. Decisions!!
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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2019, 07:15:10 am »
I'm just up the street today. Hope to see you guys this weekend.
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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2019, 07:37:10 am »
i'll be rolling outta Jersey later this afternoon. Already had booked motel and time off from work; so I'll petition our Creator for a weather break.

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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2019, 10:53:30 am »
Current weather for Valdosta says 40% chance of a thunderstorm on Sat.........not all day........otherwise sunny and in the low 70s.....
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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2019, 11:27:47 am »
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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2019, 12:42:35 pm »
We just have to be mindful of the 20mph  variable cross winds on Saturday. Not cool at high speeds.

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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2019, 07:41:26 pm »
Still moving ahead. Just need to drill the boots for the nitrous oxide nozzles and I'll install it in the chassis. Lots left to do but i haven't thrown in the towel yet.

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« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2019, 09:16:13 am »
I had a great time and now letting my ears recover ;D ;D ;

Met and had brief discussion with Billy Denby......the actual motor builder for the #2 Dick Mann Daytona winner......He hand-made the camchain tensioner wheels and added a bearing with an internal snap-ring to keep it together. Bike was Idling just fine after the race but was missing on one cylinder near the end. The factory bikes lost compression on #2 due to the camchain wearing through.......Billy is the guy who told the factory race team to go away and leave him manage the bike. Bob Hanson and/or other members of the crew 'may have borrowed a few parts' from the factory pit while they were sleeping. Take a close look at the left side of the gas tank in the race-video for the dent that was put into it at the end of the race but before tech-certification for size compliance. Everybody bent the rules so nobody made any formal complaints. Billy was the owner of a Tallahassee dealership at the time and later built other race-bike and owned two other dealerships........he looks very good at 83-years young. I asked for his permission to give him a call someday. He agreed as long as I do not publish his phone #

I rode the last 80 miles back to Palm Bay Florida in a pickup cab......bike in the back.......broke the chain on I-95 with no further damage. Russ Collins Jr kind-of let me tend the display for a few hours to answer questions about the A T & S F . He invited me to contact him in California for a possible day for a bike ride.  Many other good things were discussed with all........including Billy Bling, Jerry, Mike, Keith, Jerry, Mark, Wilbur and Frank........and I ate more than usual ;D ;D
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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2019, 06:34:58 pm »
Glad you made it back home safely, albeit bike in the bed of a truck. I enjoyed talking to you over the weekend although my time was mostly spent repairing  the wheel of my top gas bike.

I know we'll be talking over the winter time about your potential changes to the land speed bike. Until then, have fun throughout the upcoming holiday season.

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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2019, 07:38:56 pm »
Quick update on the weekend.  I was able to get the engine completed, back on the chassis and started up early am Friday morning.  I wasn't pleased with the way it ran so I had to make a choice between fine tuning the bike, or finishing up my other race bike and loading the trailer. As difficult as the decision seemed to be, I opted to get my tried and true equipment ready for battle. Once I secured most of the bikes and other necessary things in the trailer, I decided to load the new bike up as well with thoughts of working on it at the track in between  time runs and qualifying. We headed out from home around 8am friday morning and arrived at the track about 7 hours later. Fortunately for us, we have some really good friends that saved us a nice pit spot because the place was absolutely packed with racers. We removed the 2 bikes from the trailer that would go down the track that evening for qualifying and headed to tech. The first bike out for me was the no bar KZ 1000 in super eliminator.  As my luck would have it, the bike spun off the line due to fluids on the track so I only ran a 9.67 @ 154mph. Next up was my top gas Kawasaki based Dragbike. Its been a while since I put a top gas nitrous lineup in the bike and with the lighter weight GPZ crank I recently installed,  I had no real baseline. Nevertheless,  I pulled up to the tree and lite up the bulbs in anticipation of a solid,  low 8 second pass on the 8.20 index. The bike left when I released the two step button and moved about 40 feet when the rpms came up. I immediately rolled off the throttle not being positive as to what was going on, but felt maybe I threw a chain since I didn't hear any clunking noise from the transmission.  I just knew my forward progress was cut short when the engine revved. I rolled to the side of the track and once I  got stopped, I looked back to the the see the sprocket laid off to the side of the wheel. I had sheared off all 8 of the grade 8 bolts. I was somewhat relieved but concerned at the same time as to the exact extent of the damage to the hub. I  was towed off and back to the pit area. Further assessment revealed no obvious broken parts on the hub which brought about a huge sigh of relief on my part. The next dilemma was could I actually repair the wheel myself,  trackside. I put that on hold because I needed to concentrate on my next qualifying pass in super eliminator.  I knew I needed to run at least an 8.69 to match my national record pass from the Rockingham event. I didn't make any adjustments to my bike hoping all would be well. I launched the bike well but for some reason it didn't begin to pull ver strong once the nitrous started to progress down track. Sure enough, the time slip showed a 8.92 ET at only 152mph. Hmm. I wasnt sure at that moment what was going on. It was late but I decided to at least pull the rear wheel off the Dragbike to evaluate the true extent of the damage. I rolled the bike in the trailer as it was really getting cold outside. I turned on the roof top heater to knock the edge off and went to work. All the bolts were broken just below the surface of the hub so grabbing them with vise grips was out of the question.  I didn't have a center punch to try tapping then back so I got my drill. I stopped immediately because I didn't have my extractors in the trailer. Oddly enough,  a good friend showed up to check in and had a full set of extractions tools. One by one, I got 4 of the bolts removed after ruining 3 bits. I decided to stop for the night and start again in the morning if time allowed. I knew first thing Saturday morning,  I would be first out for street ET eliminations followed by 1st round of pro ET  so I needed to get some rest.

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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2019, 07:37:59 am »
Yeah but..... the fish fry was pretty amazing  :)
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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2019, 08:31:25 am »
Yeah but..... the fish fry was pretty amazing  :)

Glad you enjoyed the food. My brother was gracious enough to hook us up on Saturday with a delicious meal to include the fried fish along with potatoes and corn.


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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2019, 02:14:16 pm »
Race report continued::

Saturday morning came quickly after a long night of working on the dragbike wheel. I had to make a few stops to find grade 8 bolts and a few drill bits. A google search showed several hardware stores in the little town but most didn’t open until 9 and that’s when the first round of eliminations began. We got lucky and spied a Piggly Wiggly grocery store that had an Ace Hardware store inside( gotta love a small town). Once again luck was on my side and they had every piece and part I needed to attempt extraction of the remaining 4 bolts. We arrived at the track around 7am and started to unload the Honda and the small tire Kawasaki dragbike that I planned to race in pro ET. I fired the Honda up since it was first out. It idled okay so I felt it was ready. I started up the old Kaw and it also ran fine. I pulled into the lanes for first round eliminations in street ET on the Honda. The lanes filled up quickly with over 80 bikes. I had no clue to as to what I should dial the bike due to the cooler temps that morning. The bike  is a little on the lean side so I dialed to a conservative 10.65. If the bike went quicker, that wasn’t a problem because all bikes return for 2nd round anyway- its basically an automatic buyback round. I rolled the bike in the water box and did my usual burnout to get the tire hot. I went into the beams and turned my top bulb on, wait for my opponent to light his top bulb and then I brought the rpms up and slowly pushed the bike forward to light my 2nd bulb. I was the slower bike so my side of the tree came down and I was off on a green light start. The bike did its customary 10”-12” wheelie off the line so I felt good about the launch. I hit all my shifts points as the light came on. Down track I looked back but didn’t see my opponent close by. Instinct told me to lift but I remembered this was actually just a time run so I stayed in the throttle. As I suspected, my win light didn’t come. I figured I ran quicker than the 10.65 I had predicted.  Got the time slip and it showed a 10.46 ET @ 123mph, hmmm the air was a lot better than I thought. I came back to get the pro ET bike. I haven’t raced this bike in the ¼ mile with the current top end so I had no clue as to what it would run. I mainly run the bike in the 5.60 index class- 1/8th mile and it will run mid 5.50’s with no problem. Typically that 1/8th ET equates to an 8.90 pass but I decided to be on the soft side and dial a 9.15. I equipped the bike delay box for this race but had no historical data on what numbers to put in the box. I took a wild guess hoping it would give me a good light. My opponent was on a quicker bike so I didn’t have to enter his ET into the box. We pushed into the beams and when the top amber came on I let the 2 step button go to activate the timers on the delay box. The box released and I was off on a green light start. The bike was pulling well all the way down track and when I looked over my shoulder for my opponent he wasn’t close. I decided to take the bike all the way through to determine what ET it was going to run- just like the pass on the Honda, my win light didn’t come on saying I likely broke out. The time slip showed an 8.96ET @ 142mph. My reaction time was a .040.  Good data now to move into the next round. Back up on the Honda for 2nd round I bumped my ET up a tad to a 10.50. Again I drew a quicker opponent and once again I had a green light start with a good launch. Down track I looked to see the position of my opponent but he wasn’t close. As I approached the finish line I rolled out of the throttle to take the win.  I jumped off the Honda onto the Kaw for 2nd round in pro ET. I lowered my dial in to 8.96. I drew a racer with a 9.02 dial in so I put both number in the delay box. We both staged up, the first bulb lights so I release the two step button waiting for a slight delay and bike launches. I look over at the tree and the dreaded red eye is looking at me. Dang. Bike ran an 8.94 @143mph. Got back to the pits and decided to concentrate on the wheel repair since it would be a little while longer before we went back up for the next round of street ET. I was able to get all of the broken bolts out but had to chase the threads to be on the safe side. Wilbur came to my rescue with the loan of a nice kit. I cleaned up the threads and was ready to reassemble the wheel.  By this time they called us up for the 3rd round of street ET. I left my dial in at 10.50. I had a quicker opponent again. We staged up and the tree dropped first on my side. I left with green light and a good launch. At the stripe, my win light came on advancing me to the 4th round.
Back at the trailer I proceeded to work on the wheel again installing new grade 8 bolts and washers with Loctite. I noticed a significant amount of clouds and darkness around us. We loaded up all the bikes just in time. It started to drizzle some and then settled into a steady down pour. Eventually, they “called” the race for the night ending any chance to do the last qualifying session for the sportsman classes and dashing the ET racers opportunity to go to the 4th round of eliminations. With the high bike counts, I concluded they would probably not continue the ET classes on Sunday but simply payout the remaining racers. Due to the shut down, I was able to finish the wheel and installed it back on the bike. Eliminations for top gas would start by noon Sunday so I was glad the bike was ready for battle once again.  We left the track around 9pm and headed for the hotel to rest.

Morning showed up and the Lord saw fit to open my eyes once again. Off to the track we went arriving by 8:00am or so. We only had to unload a few of the bikes initially since I was only running street ET in the morning. They called us up for 1st round street ET about 9am. Bikes were slow getting into the lanes for some reason so they started running what was there. I bumped my dial in up to a 10.65 because the temps were much lower than the day before and I knew the thinner are would slow me down. Once again I lined up with a faster bike so I left first. The launch was good and the bike ran well down track. I was way out front of the other racer but I didn’t slow down because I needed to know the exact ET the bike would run under current conditions. It was a autobuyback round anyway so a win or a lose didn’t matter. Of course the win light showed up in the other lane. I knew I probably broke out and the ticket read 10.62@120mph. The air definitely hurt the bikes performance due to the lean conditions of the carbs. It doesn’t really matter to extract every ounce of power from a bike by making on the fly adjustments if you’re only bracket racing. You just change your dial in to match the parameters.
Back at the trailer I checked my nitrous bottle in the no bar KZ. Darn, it weighed very close to empty. This explains why the bike was such a slug on the last pass. I felt I had enough in the bottle but I was wrong. I had to find someone to fill a few bottles for me on the midway and then put a fresh one in the bike. I checked the bottle in the top gas bike and it was still full so I didn’t change it out this time. They called 2nd round street ET back to the lanes. I lowered my ET to a 10.60 this time since the temps had gone up a bit. Yeap, I got a faster opponent once again. Both bikes staged and I launched the bike. I didn’t leave the line quite as hard as I had done in previous rounds and knew the ET would be off. All I could do at that point was watch the shift light and stay on top of hitting the button on time. I looked back and my opponent was closing fast. I could see the stripe to far in the distance to believe I could get there before he did so I turned and hoped he would pass me and breakout. Nope….. no win light on my side. Oh well. My weekend in street ET and chances for advancing into the top ten for the season just vanished.
Next out was super eliminator so I pulled the bike out of the trailer to air up the shifter and heat the nitrous bottle. For some unknown reason, the event seemed to drag on endlessly. They had delay after delay without feasible explanation. The exception was an accident in the 9.50 index class. It was later in the afternoon before they called super eliminator to the lanes for pairing. I drew a 2012 Busa whose record was an 8.92. My record was an 8.69 so it was lowered to a 8.64 dial in. We run on a staggered pro tree so I had to give chase on the first flash of the tree on my side. My opponent left first and then my tree flashed. I gave chase knowing I was late on the tree. The bike didn’t feel as peppy when the nitrous started to kick in. I never caught up to the other bike and lost that round. I could only run an 8.86 so know I need to figure out if I have a problem somewhere with the bike. Its past time to freshen it up so that’ll be my task over the winter months. I rushed back to the pits to get my top gas bike only to find we were delayed once again. I got the bottle pressure up and waited for the call. By the time we got in the lanes, the sun was setting and I was tired. I got paired with a young fella on a GS based dragbike. We both did our burnouts and rolled up to the tree. I lite the first bulb and he followed.  I slowly rolled onto my throttle as I pushed in to turn on the last bulb and he did the same. Bam, the tree came down and I knew I was late once again. The bike seemed to shake the tire some but I was making forward progress. He was out front of me a but I was realing him in fast. The problem is we were running out of track fast. Well, he crossed the line just ahead of me and took the win. He ran an 8.23 to my 8.13. The index is 8.20 so I broke out trying to catch him. Thus my weekend ended.
I want to thank Wilbur (tools and advice) and Mark for helping me with my wheel repair. It was good seeing Mike, Larry, Keith, Bill, Donnie and Dennis. I had hoped we could park all the SOHC’s in one place for a photo shoot for the forum but I was so freaking busy I never communicated my thoughts to the fellas. Maybe next time. 

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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2019, 02:38:42 pm »
All in all another good year
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« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2019, 06:50:35 pm »
New bike in the pits. There are some weird reflections in the paint on this picture but I can assure you, its flawless in person.

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« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2019, 07:21:33 am »
New bike in the pits. There are some weird reflections in the paint on this picture but I can assure you, its flawless in person.

The paint on that is absolutely beautiful.  8)

Glad I was able to help with the bolt extraction process... even if was only moral support!  ;D

My performance was weak for this event. Managed a round one win on Saturday only because the other guy ran worse than I did. A .006 red light round two delegated me to spectator for the rest of the day, although it was my best pass of the weekend and I would have broke out by more than .3 if I had not gone red. Sunday didn't see my fortunes change with a stall off the line in round one and two poorly timed shifts in round two made for a short day on Sunday as well.

Overall I always enjoy these outings although fate was doing it's damnedest to prevent my attendance I still made it! Met new member markward who came all the way down from Jersey, Dennis always has interesting reports about his exploits on the salt flats as well as future plans, Mike and Keith had more insight on some of the work they did on the "triple", got to chat with Russ for a little while about his current racing efforts as well as the progress on the AT&SF as well as the Sorcerer, Bill is looking good and appears to be well on his way to recovery, Frank was doing really well Saturday and I hated to see his day cut short by the weather.

We will have to make the effort to get group photos at every event moving forward.  8)
TAMTF...


Wilbur



Projects:
"Evolution": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=100352.0
"P.O. Debacle": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,126692.msg1441661.html#msg1441661
F2/F3 O-rings: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113672.msg1300721#msg1300721
Cam Tower Studs: https://www.mcmaster.com/#93210a017/=t19sgp
Clean up that nasty harness: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=137351.msg1549191#msg1549191
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,148188.msg1688494.html#msg1688494
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,139544.msg1579364.html#msg1579364
                                          
Charging system diagnosis: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.msg8345#msg8345
Get the manuals: http://manuals.sohc4.net/cb750k/
The Dragon: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.msg1571675#msg1571675
Headlight Switch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113986.msg1283236#msg1283236
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
                                      http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1675840.html#msg1675840
Static and Dynamic Timing: http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_info/timing/timing1.html
Airbox Gasket Replacement: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,114485.msg1290000.html#msg1290000
"Café" : http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,84697.msg953814.html#msg953814
PD Carb Choke Linkage: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1669248.html#msg1669248
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,110931.msg1248354.html#msg1248354
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,48858.msg515204.html#msg515204
Follow up on your damn posts: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,144305.msg1791605.html#msg1791605
Taiwanese Cam Chain Tensioners:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,155043.msg1774841.html#msg1774841
Gumtwo Seat Cover: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,164440.msg1897366.html#msg1897366
Primary Drive: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,166063.msg1919278.html#msg1919278
Tank Latch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,165975.msg1919495.html#msg1919495
Shorten your forks: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-shorten-forks-td4042465.html DO NOT CUT THE SPRINGS!
Clutch How To: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-change-and-adjust-a-clutch-SOHC-td4040391.html
Late model K7/K8/F2/F3 front sprocket cover removal: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,178428.msg2072279.html#msg2072279
630 to 530 conversion: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180710.msg2094423.html#msg2094423

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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2019, 08:00:02 am »
I was informed that perhaps BOTH the ATSF AND the Sorcerer will be fired up in April at the opening meet. Be there!
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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2019, 12:30:16 pm »
New bike in the pits. There are some weird reflections in the paint on this picture but I can assure you, its flawless in person.
The bike looked sharp and very clean in real time......a real eye catcher. ;)
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Re: Man CUP, Valdosta Georgia
« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2019, 01:44:21 pm »
New bike in the pits. There are some weird reflections in the paint on this picture but I can assure you, its flawless in person.
The bike looked sharp and very clean in real time......a real eye catcher. ;)

Thanks Mike. I just need to sort out the problem with the engine not running smoothly. I need to pull the carbs and go through them and back track on my ignition timing with the Schnitz ignition controller. I see no reason why this bike shouldn't be at least a tenth quicker than my F3, given the matched K head and pistons in the F1 versus my current 410 head with k pistons in the F3.

We still have some warm weather ahead down my way, so stay tuned to some possible reports on ET's if I can get to a track soon.