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Deer whistles
« on: July 10, 2009, 09:13:45 AM »
These things:



Do they work?  I don't know... I've had deer just stand there and stare at me when I laid on the horn... doesn't seem like a whistle (ultrasonic or whatever it is) would have much of an effect. 


What do you guys think?
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2009, 09:40:23 AM »
I have heard both sides of the argument, but i will say i have one mounted on my bike (right side fork ear).  sort of an inconspicuous spot.
I have had deer stop, or turn a head when i have seen them up ahead.
Cant say if its vehicle noise, or the whistle, but i dont want to test  ;)
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 09:43:08 AM »
How can they work if the generated high frequency sound wave has to push itself forward through the oncoming and resistive air flow? I've always been skeptical of these devices but would sure like to find something that worked.

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2009, 10:26:14 AM »
I doubt wind would have much effect, Azure.  Else there would never be any noise from oncoming traffic...
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2009, 11:04:56 AM »
They are the perfect product. No proof they work, but since they exist, and you hit a deer, you'll always wonder if you didn't have them.

On other forums that are touring related, the deer whistle thread ranks up there with oil threads and tire threads for contentiousness.

I don't have them and I've never hit a deer, so they don't work.   :D

PS: I take that back, I did hit a deer way back and totalled my civic. I didn't have them then either so I guess they do work.   ;D
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2009, 11:29:25 AM »

Hi Dan,

The noise from oncoming traffic preceding the traffic is much less that the noise as and after the traffic passes. Deer at the side of the road and behind the bike will have a much greater chance of hearing the whistle than deer in front of the whistle. I don' t believe the sound pressure created by oncoming air passing through the whistle is greater than the oncoming air itself, especially as the higher the frequency the less the wave amplitude and power penetrate the oncoming air.

I doubt wind would have much effect, Azure.  Else there would never be any noise from oncoming traffic...

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2009, 11:30:46 AM »
Man, that's zen poetry right there! ;D ;D



They are the perfect product. No proof they work, but since they exist, and you hit a deer, you'll always wonder if you didn't have them.

On other forums that are touring related, the deer whistle thread ranks up there with oil threads and tire threads for contentiousness.

I don't have them and I've never hit a deer, so they don't work.   :D

PS: I take that back, I did hit a deer way back and totalled my civic. I didn't have them then either so I guess they do work.   ;D

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 11:47:53 AM »
The noise emissions from the deer whistles will travel ahead of the bike at the speed of sound regardless of the resistance of the air. So, If the bike is traveling at 70 mph, and the local speed of sound is say 660 mph (varies with air density)...than the noise from the device will constantly be travelling ahead of the bike at 590 mph.

...the deer will hear the noise before you get there, unless you have a damn fast bike  :D

As for the claim that they deter deer....my guess is the 'ultrasonic' sound emitted from these devices (a sound above that which humans can hear, like dog whistles) must irritate deer and like most animals when irritated, they retreat to their comfortable habitat...which hopefully is not the road in front of you  ;)

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 06:29:16 PM »
McRider =  ;D  ;D  ;D

Personally, I use a shotgun attachec to my bike. Whenever I see one,
I let off a buckshot load and they MOVE!

Alas, sometimes they move right into my path, so maybe I
should purchase some whistles.
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 07:02:14 PM »
 A 165 grain BTHP probably whistles but they dont seem to move for them  ;D For long anyway.
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 10:30:21 PM »
now this is just creepy. i bought a pair of those things about ten years ago. they remain buried in a drawer somewhere, and i have been thinking of mounting them to car or bike. i have always wondered about their legitimacy and was gonna post asking y'all.

mine are a stealthy black. ooooh...  :o ;D
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 10:34:50 PM »
A 165 grain BTHP probably whistles but they dont seem to move for them  ;D For long anyway.

Ever heard the term "You never hear the one that gets you"?   ;)
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2009, 12:52:40 AM »
COMPLETELY BIASED response ;)

Well.....you asked......http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=44414.0

I like this quote: I have a rock which as kept me tiger free for my whole life. I challenge anyone to dispute this.

There are a TON of University tests, and a few Govt. tests that have been done and everything seems to reach the same conclusion.  :P :P :P :P
The deer can't hear the KHz of the whistles. They just can't , you might piss off a cat or a monkey ;D

"the whistles typically produce a signal either at a frequency of 3 kilohertz (kHz) or 12 kHz. Both, as it turns out, are problematic.

The hearing range of white-tailed deer, the most common species in the United States, is between 2 kHz and 6 kHz, so the animal is not capable of hearing the 12 kHz signal."


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This guy looks like a doof, but read it any way ;D
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"Deer Whistle
The deer whistle is the most widely studied and scrutinized form of deer-vehicle collision prevention method. Deer whistles are products that attach to a vehicle and act as an alarm system for deer and other wildlife. The manufacturing of deer whistle products has emerged into a multi million-dollar industry. [14] As manufactures advertise, the ultrasonic sound emitted as air passes through whistle emits a sound that deer can hear but humans cannot. [15] Most deer whistles are about 2 inches long and appear to be bullet shaped. Most deer whistle products are prescribed to be attached to the bumper of a vehicle. Most deer whistles are sold between $20-$25 dollars. When a vehicle moves faster than 35 mph, a whistle sound is induced which is believed to ward off animals from a roadway. The deer whistle is marketed to prevent deer-vehicle collisions. [16] The effectiveness of deer whistles is disputed among agencies because of the conflicting reports available. The study and documentation of deer whistles is generally poor, and a conclusive decision about the effectiveness of the deer whistle cannot be made. [17]
Some research has been published about the function and capability of deer whistles. Deer have an auditory range of two to six kilohertz(kHz), but only a select few deer whistle products have ranges within that of a deer’s. Some manufactures claim that deer can hear the whistle up to a quarter mile away, but no research has solidified that claim. [18] Another point of concern is that the amount of noise from a vehicle may compromise the clarity of the deer whistle. Because the whistle is vehicle mounted there is little that can be done about mitigating vehicle noise. Others also argue the whistle’s location on the vehicle as being susceptible to dirt and insects. Such debris would eventually clog the passageway of the whistle, rendering it useless to the driver. The idea of a non-air-activated whistle has been discussed but little research has been done on the effectiveness of such products, and is highly recommended. Deer whistles generally have a questionable level of effectiveness but are advertised as aiding in the prevention of DVCs. A concern amongst studies is the impact the whistle has on the psyche of the driver, and the driver’s sense of security"

From what I have researched, the 12 volt. ones don't work either.
One of their testimonials.
"Without the unit switched on, the deer in the fields ignore the sound of the bike and continue eating and moving around. When I switch the unit on, the deer stop grazing and moving around and stand at alert with their heads up and watch me until I'm well past them."

Just what I don't want........to wake them out of their relaxed state of grazing ::)
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OK I'm a smidgen BIASED on this topic.       Any investors out there?
Mine has nothing to do with the deer. Lets face it they have been running across the road for 100 years and nothing is going to stop them.

 But there is a way to stop many of the accidents at under $20.00 per car or bike.....................

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2009, 04:43:13 AM »
i have personally taught a deer not to cross the road
true story
deer jumps out in front of me one morning
if i had a car i would have dusted it
she was facing the center of the road in my lane
she left enough room to go behind her
as i was making my way behind her time seemed to slow down
i thought to myself it was time for payback for the deer i have hit over the years
so as i got behind her i reached out and slapped her on the rear
the look on her face was a kodak moment
then she took off like greased lightning
i know it was crazy
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2009, 06:50:43 AM »
The human audible range is ideally said to be between 20 hz and 20khz, it the deer's hearing range accurately reported here?




 Deer have an auditory range of two to six kilohertz(kHz)

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2009, 06:52:10 AM »
Great anecdote and deer antidote!

i have personally taught a deer not to cross the road
true story
deer jumps out in front of me one morning
if i had a car i would have dusted it
she was facing the center of the road in my lane
she left enough room to go behind her
as i was making my way behind her time seemed to slow down
i thought to myself it was time for payback for the deer i have hit over the years
so as i got behind her i reached out and slapped her on the rear
the look on her face was a kodak moment
then she took off like greased lightning
i know it was crazy
but it felt great


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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2009, 02:34:02 PM »
The human audible range is ideally said to be between 20 hz and 20khz, it the deer's hearing range accurately reported here?




 Deer have an auditory range of two to six kilohertz(kHz)

According to this Research facility it's true. I quoted him.
"There has been a lot of conjecture about whether the whistles work or don't work, and we are one of the first independent groups to scientifically test them," says Scheifele, director of bioacoustic research at the National Undersea Research Center at Avery Point and a researcher in the Department of Animal Science."

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2009, 07:07:48 PM »
"the whistles typically produce a signal either at a frequency of 3 kilohertz (kHz) or 12 kHz. Both, as it turns out, are problematic.

Ok, this doesn't make sense.  If the whistles produce a signal between 3kHz and 12kHz it would be audible to the human ear and therefore horribly, HORRIBLY annoying.

Here is an example of a combined 2kHz and 4kHz tone:


You can imagine how horrible a 3kHz tone would be emanating from your bumper.

The hearing range of white-tailed deer, the most common species in the United States, is between 2 kHz and 6 kHz, so the animal is not capable of hearing the 12 kHz signal."

I think the study in question has been misinterpreted.  It would be ridiculous if a deer could only hear between 2kHz and 6kHz, as this would completely rule out entire ranges of sound (twigs snapping in the woods is way above 6kHz) for an animal which relies on its sensory perception to keep from being eaten  :D

According to this study the most sensitive range of hearing for deer is between 1kHz and 8kHz.  Not trying to pick a fight, just pointing out some illogical inconsistencies  ;D
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2009, 06:47:37 AM »
Personal observation:

after working in a body shop for a number of years, I can say that <most> of the cars/trucks being repaired after hitting deer.....

..... are wearing deer whistles.

maybe the dam things attract deer?


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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2009, 09:11:56 AM »
Personal observation:

after working in a body shop for a number of years, I can say that <most> of the cars/trucks being repaired after hitting deer.....

..... are wearing deer whistles.

maybe the dam things attract deer?

The manufacturers must have confused "deer whistle" and "deer call."

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2009, 09:56:47 AM »
Personal observation:

after working in a body shop for a number of years, I can say that <most> of the cars/trucks being repaired after hitting deer.....

..... are wearing deer whistles.

maybe the dam things attract deer?

The manufacturers must have confused "deer whistle" and "deer call."

I bet they had them mounted backwards! ::) ::) ;D

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2009, 12:13:24 PM »
This package makes a bold claim (the word dead center of the package).  Not that I trust advertising...

(Actually, is it "proven" to work, or that it doesn't?  I guess one word alone means nothing....) 

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2009, 12:18:22 PM »
How can they work if the generated high frequency sound wave has to push itself forward through the oncoming and resistive air flow? I've always been skeptical of these devices but would sure like to find something that worked.

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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2009, 12:47:12 PM »
Personal observation:

after working in a body shop for a number of years, I can say that <most> of the cars/trucks being repaired after hitting deer.....

..... are wearing deer whistles.

maybe the dam things attract deer?




another consideration is that those who feel a need to mount the devices likely live in deer-rich ares, and therefore more likely to see a deer in the first place; if ya live in the inner city how compelled are you to consider getting these things?

they may work... but there's no accounting for the relative stupidity of these animals. and perhaps they don't work below a certain speed.
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Re: Deer whistles
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2009, 01:18:32 PM »
they don't work, I've a friend that has hit at least five deer with the whistle in place.
The whistles attract deer I've decided.