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Offline rebabal

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This is a two-fer:

I got supersport fork dust boots from PartsNMore and they don't sit still, they slide on perfectly, and fit in the slot.. but when the forks compress the covers slide up with the shafts.  Other than super gluing them to the housing, what can I do for this?

ALSO: What fluid & how much do I put in a fresh rebuilt fork?

Thanks!

edit: '76 750
« Last Edit: February 27, 2010, 09:14:36 PM by rebabal »
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Re: [Fork Qquestions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 04:47:27 PM »
Model year etc, ferinstance cb350f uses atf, cb500 uses 30wt oil 5.25oz if memory serves. Jordan

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Re: [Fork Qquestions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 04:51:59 PM »
spray the forks with a lubricant?

Do you not have a manual for fluid amounts?  Can't help without knowing what bike ::)

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Re: [Fork Qquestions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 07:01:50 PM »
Wrap some masking tape around the upper part of the fork leg.. as many wraps as needed..
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Re: [Fork Qquestions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 09:14:17 PM »
Sorry, These forks are off a 78 750F.  I was rushing out the door when posting.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2010, 09:18:08 PM by rebabal »
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Re: [Fork Questions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 09:26:43 PM »
I have a '80 cb650 & that uses ATF according to the manual. Finding one, viewable on-line maybe, is probably your best bet

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Re: [Fork Questions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 09:39:48 AM »
I read a post in tips n tricks or at least I think I did, it was late! The post listed 750 fork fluid amounts but not what type, if thats any help.

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Re: [Fork Questions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 12:12:18 PM »
Wipe off the seal, put a wrap of masking tape around it., if it still slips try 2..
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Re: [Fork Questions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 12:37:55 PM »
Ultimately fork oil is a trial and error, what do you like, issue. ATF is a universal recommendation, about 8wt and has stuff in it to keep the seals pliable. Motor oil is fine 30wt would be awfully stiff.

And the major specialty oils all have full line of fork oils. Spectro, maxim, etc.

If you want a soft side of medium ride, can't go wrong with ATF (automatic transmission fluid). If you want a firmer ride, the specialty oils in 10wt to 15 wt. would be good.

You'd need a manual for the amount, mine doesn't go to 78. Usually they give a range and less for less damping, more for more. Trial and error.
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Re: [Fork Questions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 12:49:40 PM »
I am with 754 on the tape but you could try 3M double-sided.

In general the forks for early Hondas use 7 to 7.3 oz or 220-230cc of your choice.  I am with MC and also lack the F manual specs. 
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Re: [Fork Questions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 08:32:07 PM »
Ok so my bad in not looking in my PDF manual first, I was running out the door to go work on my bike (prepping frame for blasting/powder coating) and I wanted to toss the Q out there while I was out.

I read up in my manual and it said 78's use 4.8-5.2 ounces of ATF.

As for the fork dust boot, I'll try some tape.
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Re: [Fork Questions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2010, 08:41:23 PM »
For the boots, I haven't had the problem, but if I did, as a less permanent solution than super gluing them to the lowers, I'd try lining the rubber part that goes into the slot with some of that rubber paint you dip tool handles into to make a rubber grip.  If I was brave enough, I might even take a flat head screw driver to try to deform the lip on the lowers enough to have little teeth sticking out of the slot to grab the boot.

But those are just some ideas...

Regarding the fork oil:

I've read some things about the inconsistencies of wt. in ATF.  But I've also heard some argue that ATF is made much more consistently nowadays.  I'd go with the Spectro brand fork oil (10-15 wt.).  I think the stuff is like $8 a quart, and can fill up 2-3 sets of forks with that.
For amount, you can do this:
If fork is on the bike, put bike on center stand, and support front half with a jack.  Remove fork caps and all spacers and springs inside.  Remove front wheel and drain fluid from the bottom allen bolt that holds damper rod in place (pump fork a few times to make sure all fluid is out).  Reinstall damper bolt, and use a tie-down or bungie chord to completely compress the forks all the way up.  Fill each fork tube up with oil until the oil level is 5.5 to 6 inches from the very top of the tube.  Remove the tie-down, and pump the forks a few times to work out any air bubbles; then completely compress the forks again to recheck level.  Then, uncompress fork, put springs and spacers back in, and screw on the covers.  Done
If fork is off the bike, just clamp the lowers in a vise, then let the uppers slide down into the lowers all the way.  Fill with oil using procedure above. When reassembling, clamp the uppers in the vise, and let the lowers drop so you can put the guts back in.

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Re: [Fork Questions] What fluid, amount? & my dust boots don't stay still..
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 07:27:31 AM »
I was wrong on the oil wt. the manual lists sae 10w30 wt for a 73 cb500f. I had stated 30wt. in a previous post.