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Today...@2000mi on the rollers...completely smooth, no cuts or chips.  Nothing in my oil pan  :-\

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I was smart enough (accidentally I guess) to get a Honda tensioner wheel...so I'm good there. However...I've had the bike together since last fall and I already notice that the crappy CI carb boots are cracking on the outside. They were a biatch to fit and I have the same problem as the OP...they are just long enough that I have to REALLY shove the airbox into place.

For CB750 guys...Partzilla has the boots in stock. When I have money again someday I will be buying an OEM set of carb boots.

PN for CB750 71-76 is 16211-300-030 and 16212-300-030. 2 of each.

edit: and I'm sorry for not reading the entire thread and realizing this information is basically worthless to the conversation...sorry.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 07:31:37 PM by Ravie »
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Here is a zoomed in version of one of Mark's pics of the OEM rubber roller, which shows the logo at about 2:00. 

I'll check my new roller in the Honda bag and my old one, purchased 1983-84, batch most likely older.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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I was smart enough (accidentally I guess) to get a Honda tensioner wheel...so I'm good there. However...I've had the bike together since last fall and I already notice that the crappy CI carb boots are cracking on the outside. They were a biatch to fit and I have the same problem as the OP...they are just long enough that I have to REALLY shove the airbox into place.

For CB750 guys...Partzilla has the boots in stock. When I have money again someday I will be buying an OEM set of carb boots.

PN for CB750 71-76 is 16211-300-030 and 16212-300-030. 2 of each.

edit: and I'm sorry for not reading the entire thread and realizing this information is basically worthless to the conversation...sorry.

Your review is certainly pertinent. "Carb boots cracking" is part of the title of this thread.  8)
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Headlight Switch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113986.msg1283236#msg1283236
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
                                      http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1675840.html#msg1675840
Static and Dynamic Timing: http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_info/timing/timing1.html
Airbox Gasket Replacement: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,114485.msg1290000.html#msg1290000
"Café" : http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,84697.msg953814.html#msg953814
PD Carb Choke Linkage: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1669248.html#msg1669248
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,110931.msg1248354.html#msg1248354
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Follow up on your damn posts: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,144305.msg1791605.html#msg1791605
Taiwanese Cam Chain Tensioners:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,155043.msg1774841.html#msg1774841
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I emailed CB750supply.com, and asked them if they had any complaints about their tensioner kits...This is the response I got...
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We do not use the same suppliers as Vintage CB750.  We have not had any problems with any of the kits that we have sold.  We appreciate the information that you have shared with us.


Thank you,


CB750 Supply

That's not enough assurance for me. Not convinced.
I highly doubt their kit comes from a different supplier.

It sounds like someone had Taiwanese copies made of the OE Honda parts and sells them to all the CB750 parts stores.
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The picture that scottly just posted shows that trademark of the orig. Honda roller and it's a good one.
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I emailed CB750supply.com, and asked them if they had any complaints about their tensioner kits...This is the response I got...
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Doug,


We do not use the same suppliers as Vintage CB750.  We have not had any problems with any of the kits that we have sold.  We appreciate the information that you have shared with us.


Thank you,


CB750 Supply

That's not enough assurance for me. Not convinced.
I highly doubt their kit comes from a different supplier.

It sounds like someone had Taiwanese copies made of the OE Honda parts and sells them to all the CB750 parts stores.


Very sorry for what happened to your ride, Davidov.  And yes, I agree, it's not enough of a response.

Will put a camera inside mind and see if it's holding up.

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I'm trying one of these cheap Chinese borescopes.  Will post results when it arrives.
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« Last Edit: March 03, 2016, 01:15:41 PM by flybox1 »
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

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Here is another supplier http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-CB250-CB350-CL350-SL350-CB750-Cam-Chain-Tensioner-Roller-Wheel-Set-/231576401099?hash=item35eb0774cb:g:GKIAAOSwstxVZygr&vxp=mtr

I'm not going with the metal wheels, too much money for an unexpected repair. OE Honda for me. Just wanted to pass on the info.
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The picture that scottly just posted shows that trademark of the orig. Honda roller and it's a good one.

On the 3 rollers I just got from Honda, there isn't any marks like those on any of the parts. There are just the several mold-injection 'nubs' where they were pressure-fed and bled.

Correction: see below. Under a magnifier, I can see the little logo one one of the wheels. It's tiny!

About the carb boots: are the "bad" ones the type that are coming from 4into1, in a box marked "TourMax"? I just got a set that looks like that, where it was listed as OEM Honda...  >:(
« Last Edit: March 04, 2016, 12:59:47 PM by HondaMan »
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The picture that scottly just posted shows that trademark of the orig. Honda roller and it's a good one.

On the 3 rollers I just got from Honda, there isn't any marks like those on any of the parts. There are just the several mold-injection 'nubs' where they were pressure-fed and bled.

That was one of your pics, Mark, that I zoomed in on to high-light the logo, which is on the other side of the "nubs". My original K7 roller has the same logo, but I couldn't get as good a picture as yours.
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The picture that scottly just posted shows that trademark of the orig. Honda roller and it's a good one.

On the 3 rollers I just got from Honda, there isn't any marks like those on any of the parts. There are just the several mold-injection 'nubs' where they were pressure-fed and bled.

That was one of your pics, Mark, that I zoomed in on to high-light the logo, which is on the other side of the "nubs". My original K7 roller has the same logo, but I couldn't get as good a picture as yours.

Both sets of new Honda brand tensioner sets that I received also have the little Honda logo on both the smaller and larger wheels while the aftermarket parts did not.  8)
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F2/F3 O-rings: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113672.msg1300721#msg1300721
Cam Tower Studs: https://www.mcmaster.com/#93210a017/=t19sgp
Clean up that nasty harness: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=137351.msg1549191#msg1549191
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,148188.msg1688494.html#msg1688494
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,139544.msg1579364.html#msg1579364
                                          
Charging system diagnosis: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.msg8345#msg8345
Get the manuals: http://manuals.sohc4.net/cb750k/
The Dragon: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.msg1571675#msg1571675
Headlight Switch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113986.msg1283236#msg1283236
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
                                      http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1675840.html#msg1675840
Static and Dynamic Timing: http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_info/timing/timing1.html
Airbox Gasket Replacement: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,114485.msg1290000.html#msg1290000
"Café" : http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,84697.msg953814.html#msg953814
PD Carb Choke Linkage: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1669248.html#msg1669248
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,110931.msg1248354.html#msg1248354
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Follow up on your damn posts: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,144305.msg1791605.html#msg1791605
Taiwanese Cam Chain Tensioners:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,155043.msg1774841.html#msg1774841
Gumtwo Seat Cover: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,164440.msg1897366.html#msg1897366
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Tank Latch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,165975.msg1919495.html#msg1919495
Shorten your forks: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-shorten-forks-td4042465.html DO NOT CUT THE SPRINGS!
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Late model K7/K8/F2/F3 front sprocket cover removal: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,178428.msg2072279.html#msg2072279
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The picture that scottly just posted shows that trademark of the orig. Honda roller and it's a good one.

On the 3 rollers I just got from Honda, there isn't any marks like those on any of the parts. There are just the several mold-injection 'nubs' where they were pressure-fed and bled.

That was one of your pics, Mark, that I zoomed in on to high-light the logo, which is on the other side of the "nubs". My original K7 roller has the same logo, but I couldn't get as good a picture as yours.

I just went and looked at the other 2 (of the 3) Honda parts I have: one has a "14" on it opposite the little logo thingie, and the other has a "19", but on both of these two, it is so faint and shallow that it can only be seen under a strong magnifier and side-lighting. The one I posted pix of is a little more defined and can show up if lit just so. I can't even get a picture of the others to show it. One (and just one) of the Honda wheels is a bit harder than the others, and the others seem to be as flexible as the aftermarket one. I don't have more than one of the aftermarket ones to compare with, though, as the other one is in a engine right now.

The aftermarket ones appear to be smoother molds, as the Honda rollers all have little sites of flash on them, right where the center rib meets the wheels. The aftermarket ones have sharp, crisp mold lines with no flash at these sites. All dimensions appear to be as identical as rubber molds typically can be, with the 'hardest' Honda one being slightly smaller OD by about 0.002" or so.

The bearings (ID) of the big wheels all measure the same within 0.0004", and they all have a honed-to-finished-size appearance, as if that was how they were made (probably were?). I suspect this is there to make sure it wears into the pivot bearing, much like rings on bore walls, for a good match.

On both the Honda tensioner arms and the aftermarket ones, the bushing-bearing that fits thru the stamped arm is very tight, and drags right where the notch-punch site is located (due to punch deformation of the arm's bracket). It is important, when these are assembled, that you always file or sand out the arm's pivot hole nearest this notch so this arm can swing freely, or it will not lube the bushing well. If the tensioner keeps falling toward the front of the engine while you're installing the rings, making a nuisance of itself, then you have it right...more than several times I have finally inserted the last 2 ring sets, only to find the tensioner fell forward under the cylinders while I wasn't looking, and I've had to start over. :(  That's how freely it should swing.

If the arm's pivot is too stiff in this bearing, the tensioner's spring will not take up the slack of the chain. These tensioners started showing up this way in about 2011 (from my earliest non-Honda parts), and at first only the aftermarket ones had this "tight notch" problem. Lately the Honda ones do, too. But, the tooling marks on the steel stamped arm are slightly different between the 2 parts: the Honda ones all have chips and chunks torn out of them on the inside of the 'backbone' or 'spine' of the arm, while the aftermarket ones have 4 little scratch marks on the outside corners at the same area, opposite side. So, they appear to not have been bent on the very same stamp molds, for one?

Besides the little logo, and the different-looking injection port 'nubs' on the rollers (more on the aftermarket than on the Honda ones), I really can't detect any reliable differences. Does anyone else possibly have some of these to further compare? There's an awful lot of them out there.

Oh - and there is this 'gem': I have an original (now 3 years old) Honda tensioner arm, in the bag, on which the little wheel WILL NOT TURN unless forced. I bought it for a rebuild that was pending for 6 months, and by the time I discovered the problem Honda would not take it back. This one would have disintegrated the little roller in mere miles. So, Honda's parts are not always perfect, either...like the bad set of 0.25 rings I got in December for this K6  I am restoring: the oil rings came out of the box with 0.027" gap NEW - which is more than even a stock-bore engine needs (it comes out to 0.020" in that bore, but not round)...this is clearly unacceptable, and the only one in the 4 sets I bought all at once, but Honda would not take them back, either. I have also received other parts bad from Honda over the years, but I usually try to forget them and move on...
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 09:59:34 PM by HondaMan »
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About the carb boots: are the "bad" ones the type that are coming from 4into1, in a box marked "TourMax"? I just got a set that looks like that, where it was listed as OEM Honda...  >:(

My cracking carb boots are the cheap ones from cruzinimage.
First 1000kms with no carb support. My Mikuni TMR32 with KN pod filters were clamped into the boots only. Later a support that fix the carb rack into the frame with rubber between. This might help the cracks to occur quicker.

My OEM carbs with pod filters were clamped into OEM boots only, no cracks after years of use. I used same clamps on my cruzinimage boots.
I'll see how my new Honda boots will survive. Fuel nowadays is Shell V-Power only. Back in the days old type of leaded fuel.
I had bad experience of Mikuni carb boots (Smootbore 29-CB750) back in the 80's. Soft rubber that cracked in a similar way and rather quick.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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About the carb boots: are the "bad" ones the type that are coming from 4into1, in a box marked "TourMax"? I just got a set that looks like that, where it was listed as OEM Honda...  >:(

My cracking carb boots are the cheap ones from cruzinimage.
First 1000kms with no carb support. My Mikuni TMR32 with KN pod filters were clamped into the boots only. Later a support that fix the carb rack into the frame with rubber between. This might help the cracks to occur quicker.

My OEM carbs with pod filters were clamped into OEM boots only, no cracks after years of use. I used same clamps on my cruzinimage boots.
I'll see how my new Honda boots will survive. Fuel nowadays is Shell V-Power only. Back in the days old type of leaded fuel.
I had bad experience of Mikuni carb boots (Smootbore 29-CB750) back in the 80's. Soft rubber that cracked in a similar way and rather quick.
I had c.I. Carb rubbers on my 750 after I rebuilt it, I could not get it tuned correctly due to an air leak I couldn't stop/find.
I  installed yamiya's own branded set of carb rubbers and it has run perfect ever since.
C.I. have left a bad taste in my mouth after they blacklisted me from their eBay store, all I did was insist they send me the correct size head gasket ( they sent a standard bore head gasket with their 836 piston kit) to use with their piston kit, which they did - but then banned me from buying from their store..?
Sorry.....c.I. pistons came out and Re-ringed Honda 736 pistons went back in.

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The aftermarket ones appear to be smoother molds, as the Honda rollers all have little sites of flash on them, right where the center rib meets the wheels. The aftermarket ones have sharp, crisp mold lines with no flash at these sites.

Besides the little logo, and the different-looking injection port 'nubs' on the rollers (more on the aftermarket than on the Honda ones), I really can't detect any reliable differences. Does anyone else possibly have some of these to further compare? There's an awful lot of them out there.



Yes. The larger wheel has the most notable difference, besides the logo, the aftermarket wheel is indeed smoother in appearance. The surfaces of the larger Honda wheels, between the hub and the "rim" appear to have a little bit of texture that implies that there might be some fibrous reinforcement in the rubber, while this surface of the large aftermarket wheel is very smooth.
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"Evolution": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=100352.0
"P.O. Debacle": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,126692.msg1441661.html#msg1441661
F2/F3 O-rings: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113672.msg1300721#msg1300721
Cam Tower Studs: https://www.mcmaster.com/#93210a017/=t19sgp
Clean up that nasty harness: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=137351.msg1549191#msg1549191
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,148188.msg1688494.html#msg1688494
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,139544.msg1579364.html#msg1579364
                                          
Charging system diagnosis: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.msg8345#msg8345
Get the manuals: http://manuals.sohc4.net/cb750k/
The Dragon: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.msg1571675#msg1571675
Headlight Switch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113986.msg1283236#msg1283236
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
                                      http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1675840.html#msg1675840
Static and Dynamic Timing: http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_info/timing/timing1.html
Airbox Gasket Replacement: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,114485.msg1290000.html#msg1290000
"Café" : http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,84697.msg953814.html#msg953814
PD Carb Choke Linkage: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1669248.html#msg1669248
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,110931.msg1248354.html#msg1248354
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,48858.msg515204.html#msg515204
Follow up on your damn posts: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,144305.msg1791605.html#msg1791605
Taiwanese Cam Chain Tensioners:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,155043.msg1774841.html#msg1774841
Gumtwo Seat Cover: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,164440.msg1897366.html#msg1897366
Primary Drive: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,166063.msg1919278.html#msg1919278
Tank Latch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,165975.msg1919495.html#msg1919495
Shorten your forks: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-shorten-forks-td4042465.html DO NOT CUT THE SPRINGS!
Clutch How To: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-change-and-adjust-a-clutch-SOHC-td4040391.html
Late model K7/K8/F2/F3 front sprocket cover removal: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,178428.msg2072279.html#msg2072279
630 to 530 conversion: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180710.msg2094423.html#msg2094423

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Offline Davidov

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Update for the VintageCB750 tensioner issue:

I have been contacting them through e-mail. The person I communicated with stated they were "one of the owners", but I still never got a name or phone number.
The contact person said they were talking with the manufacturer, and planning on issuing some sort of recall. I demanded they pay me for the Vesrah gasket set, but I knew it was a stretch since I purchased it from Dynoman.
Which led to them telling me they may include a gasket set with a refund for the tensioner kit.
I put some pressure on them, and told them how I don't have "weeks" (in their words) to sit around waiting for a decision on their part.
So they just sent my the $79 as a refund through paypal.

I encourage anyone else to pressure them for this same refund, it's only fair.

The owner person gave me some crap about how the cheaper parts come at a sacrifice of a warranty, and the OE Honda parts are more expensive due to this. Horsecrap. They probably buy this at-cost from the manufacturer for something like $20-$30 bucks and mark it up to $79 so its only a little less expensive than OE parts.
So people like us go "Oh I'll save a few bucks, and get everything in a nice kit"

To me, that's taking advantage of a narrow market of individuals, which they be should be responsible for. They made a profit off cheap parts, and now they have to pay for it. Much like I am paying the cost for choosing inferior parts.

Maybe the Honda OE parts can be flawed at random too, but it seems more likely that this mass-produced, Taiwan/Chinese/Whatever-made, reproduction stuff is more often junk than not.

That's all I have to say.  ;)
« Last Edit: March 05, 2016, 08:36:27 AM by Davidov »
-David

Offline PeWe

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Aftermarket tensioner should not brake quicker than the old Honda. Here a  catastrophe first season. Honda OEM does not cost that much more than the really bad aftermarket. The technical evloution of today must offer much better for less money than Honda OEM from the old days, 30-40 years ago.

I have a feeling that the parts are made in China were really bad quality can leave manufacturers that must think different. Huge copy market where they copy parts and probably copies that are copied copies........ No thoughts about material used.
As I have written before, cheap china made fuel hose that did not withstand fuel... became soft and got kinks really quick.

About Honda tensioner wheels. Below my new tensioner from David at left and the old from early 80's. I ordered it late 1983.
The markings are 180 degrees from each other, a number than a "very small double arrow"
« Last Edit: March 05, 2016, 09:06:42 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

Offline madmtnmotors

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The OE Honda parts are more expensive

Not by much, and I won't make this mistake again. The upper and lower wheels, along with the slider, can be had for $90 from Honda Parts Nation:

http://www.hondapartsnation.com/oemparts/a/hon/506b8caaf870023420a1e919/cam-chain-tensioner
TAMTF...


Wilbur



Projects:
"Evolution": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=100352.0
"P.O. Debacle": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,126692.msg1441661.html#msg1441661
F2/F3 O-rings: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113672.msg1300721#msg1300721
Cam Tower Studs: https://www.mcmaster.com/#93210a017/=t19sgp
Clean up that nasty harness: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=137351.msg1549191#msg1549191
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,148188.msg1688494.html#msg1688494
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,139544.msg1579364.html#msg1579364
                                          
Charging system diagnosis: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.msg8345#msg8345
Get the manuals: http://manuals.sohc4.net/cb750k/
The Dragon: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.msg1571675#msg1571675
Headlight Switch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113986.msg1283236#msg1283236
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
                                      http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1675840.html#msg1675840
Static and Dynamic Timing: http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_info/timing/timing1.html
Airbox Gasket Replacement: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,114485.msg1290000.html#msg1290000
"Café" : http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,84697.msg953814.html#msg953814
PD Carb Choke Linkage: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1669248.html#msg1669248
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,110931.msg1248354.html#msg1248354
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,48858.msg515204.html#msg515204
Follow up on your damn posts: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,144305.msg1791605.html#msg1791605
Taiwanese Cam Chain Tensioners:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,155043.msg1774841.html#msg1774841
Gumtwo Seat Cover: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,164440.msg1897366.html#msg1897366
Primary Drive: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,166063.msg1919278.html#msg1919278
Tank Latch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,165975.msg1919495.html#msg1919495
Shorten your forks: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-shorten-forks-td4042465.html DO NOT CUT THE SPRINGS!
Clutch How To: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-change-and-adjust-a-clutch-SOHC-td4040391.html
Late model K7/K8/F2/F3 front sprocket cover removal: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,178428.msg2072279.html#msg2072279
630 to 530 conversion: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180710.msg2094423.html#msg2094423

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Offline PeWe

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CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

Offline flybox1

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Somewhat relieved to find my receipt from 12/2013 was from from cb750supply and not vintagecb750  :-\
Still, its an item i will be keeping an eye on
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
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"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

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Offline HondaMan

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I think I'm going to take one of these new "Taiwan" units and drop them in oil for a year or so, to see what happens....
See SOHC4shop@gmail.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
Hondaman's creed: "Bikers are family. Treat them accordingly."

Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

Link to My CB750 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=my+cb750+book

Link to website: www.SOHC4shop.com

Offline madmtnmotors

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I think I'm going to take one of these new "Taiwan" units and drop them in oil for a year or so, to see what happens....

LOL

Me thinks it has more to do with the forces being exerted on them than anything else.
TAMTF...


Wilbur



Projects:
"Evolution": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=100352.0
"P.O. Debacle": http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,126692.msg1441661.html#msg1441661
F2/F3 O-rings: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113672.msg1300721#msg1300721
Cam Tower Studs: https://www.mcmaster.com/#93210a017/=t19sgp
Clean up that nasty harness: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=137351.msg1549191#msg1549191
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,148188.msg1688494.html#msg1688494
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,139544.msg1579364.html#msg1579364
                                          
Charging system diagnosis: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.msg8345#msg8345
Get the manuals: http://manuals.sohc4.net/cb750k/
The Dragon: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=45183.msg1571675#msg1571675
Headlight Switch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=113986.msg1283236#msg1283236
Branden's leak free top end thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=107040.0
Engine Lifting Made Easy: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,58210.msg1684742.html#msg1684742
                                      http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1675840.html#msg1675840
Static and Dynamic Timing: http://www.hondachopper.com/garage/carb_info/timing/timing1.html
Airbox Gasket Replacement: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,114485.msg1290000.html#msg1290000
"Café" : http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,84697.msg953814.html#msg953814
PD Carb Choke Linkage: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,100352.msg1669248.html#msg1669248
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,110931.msg1248354.html#msg1248354
                                    http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,48858.msg515204.html#msg515204
Follow up on your damn posts: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,144305.msg1791605.html#msg1791605
Taiwanese Cam Chain Tensioners:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,155043.msg1774841.html#msg1774841
Gumtwo Seat Cover: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,164440.msg1897366.html#msg1897366
Primary Drive: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,166063.msg1919278.html#msg1919278
Tank Latch: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,165975.msg1919495.html#msg1919495
Shorten your forks: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-shorten-forks-td4042465.html DO NOT CUT THE SPRINGS!
Clutch How To: http://vintage-and-classic-honda-s.456789.n3.nabble.com/How-to-change-and-adjust-a-clutch-SOHC-td4040391.html
Late model K7/K8/F2/F3 front sprocket cover removal: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,178428.msg2072279.html#msg2072279
630 to 530 conversion: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180710.msg2094423.html#msg2094423

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Offline mystic_1

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Ah, but what KIND of oil will you immerse them in?    ;) ;D


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"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for."
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My build thread:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=68952.0