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CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« on: February 03, 2014, 06:28:52 PM »
I'm going through my kit from cycleX and I need help identifying where some o rings go and what a few other bits are. First off not sure where these rubber cylinders go there are 8 of them in the kit but I see none on the motor.

Second up I have 5 of these tiny o rings not sure where they go either.

Lastly I have 2 of these larger o rings, I feel I should have four maybe but not sure
I think they go either here
Or here

Both of those last 2 are nearly identical, I think off due to being 42 yrs old of squishedness.

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2014, 06:55:12 PM »
Also I guess I should figure out what these little ports are/should I find some ring for these too?

They are different then the 5 mystery rings previously shown.

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2014, 07:01:57 PM »
The rubber cylinders, or "barrels", are specific to the later K7 and K8, as well as the "F" motors and maybe even the "A". These are used at the locating dowels between the cylinders and the head, and the later motors have an extra pocket machined around the dowels to accommodate these rubber barrels. This was an extra measure Honda used with later models to help prevent the head gasket from weeping. Newer gasket technology has pretty much resolved those weeping issues from what I understand. The Cyclex gasket kit includes them (as do most) to make the gasket set more universal to cover a wider range of model years.

The smaller O-rings look like the ones that belong under the cam towers at the oil feeds. Of course, there's only four of those required...

Not sure about the others without breaking out the diagrams...
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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2014, 07:24:31 PM »
awesome thanks for the info. So those wont be necessary for me, I guess if anybody needs em lemme know. The cam tower oil feeds, are those the things Im pointing to in my last post next to the valve springs? If so then the ones on my engine have 2 different sizes and either size matches the 4 in the kit.

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2014, 07:36:13 PM »
Yes that's what they are. I used cyclex kit as well, and I ended up buying a kit with assorted sizes of o rings to use there. Make sure you put o-rings on all 4 (even the ones with no oriface in the middle) otherwise you could lose oil pressure up there as it can leak out under cam tower.

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2014, 07:41:59 PM »
alright, Ill head to the store tomorrow to get some. Anybody know what size a k2 motor uses there? Or should I just bring the thing with me to the store and test a few? Im rebuilding it b.c it was leaking from the pucks so I know I dont want that again. Is there anything I should do to clean that oriface or anything while I have it off?

Anybody got any ideas on the other unknown rings?

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2014, 08:45:03 PM »
alright, Ill head to the store tomorrow to get some. Anybody know what size a k2 motor uses there? Or should I just bring the thing with me to the store and test a few? Im rebuilding it b.c it was leaking from the pucks so I know I dont want that again. Is there anything I should do to clean that oriface or anything while I have it off?

Anybody got any ideas on the other unknown rings?

Look at a parts fiche. I usually go on bikebandit.com.  Shows where all o-rings and parts go.

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2014, 09:04:35 PM »
Clean the orifice and the oil passages and then blow with compressed air.

For the oil orifice you can use 4x2, that is the stock size for that k2, but 6x2 will work which is what gets thrown in a lot of the time because that is what the gasket packs have often times. The 4x2 fits best for the undrilled ones as they are a bit smaller

I used nitrile o-rings from harbor freight there, sized at a true 5x2, not slightly under and works just fine there. Use permatex non hardening under the pucks. My best application method was to put it on the lip where the puck lives. This way most of the extra goo squishes down to atmosphere and not in to the head. Clean what squeezes out because it will raise the towers ever so slightly accelerating wear there because of misalignment.

You need two of the "medium" sized o-rings, can't remember the size off hand, under the cylinders. Then two more at the head to cylinders, that is all the k2 used. You only have 2 bc that kit is more geared towards the later model with the tube seal thingies

You have the right idea and locations for the o-rings. Over thanksgiving break I rebuilt my own k2 so all this stuff is pretty fresh. You can pm me if you need anything
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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2014, 09:04:52 PM »
thanks man, Checking it out I found the proper sizes but it shows 3 different for the o-rings over the oil jets, http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1972-honda-cb750k2/o/m9201#sch397744 #16, not sure what to make of that, is it supposed to be 2 o rings next to each other?

also from this fiche http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1972-honda-cb750k2/o/m9201#sch396355 I have no idea what those alignment pins (#3) are and no idea what #2 is...

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2014, 09:21:58 PM »
You should have alignment dowels/pins, they are gonna be either stuck in the head or cylinders. Work them gently with some pliers so you don't screw them up.

I'm having trouble with the fische you linked but it seems to be the 4x2 for the oil jets. The lines trace to where they go. Just use 4 of 4x2 and be done with it.

If I have the right fische(?) #2 would be a valve guide, where the valves move up in down, there passage. If you could edit the post to say what the fische links to, like cylinder head, case, something like that
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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2014, 09:23:21 PM »
Alright to tidy up the information im having trouble figuring out where the 2 ring sets in my cyclex kit go. The sizes are 15.5mmx2.25mm (I have 2 of these) and 9.5mmx2mm (I have 5 of these).

Where I think the smaller ones go are #16 (three sizes list, 3.7X1.7, 5.8X1.9, and 5.6X1.9 (only shows 2 on this fiche) http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1972-honda-cb750k2/o/m9201#sch397744 (*cylinder head insulator)

The larger ones I think should be #12 (11X2.5) http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1972-honda-cb750k2/o/m9201#sch396355 (*cylinder piston)

(*crankcase)or #15 (11X2.5) http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1972-honda-cb750k2/o/m9201#sch396144

obviously none of these match so not sure what to do. And since the ones on the bike a squished cant accurately measure those.

*edited to show which section was supposed to be linked to sorry. All under engine&exhaust > OEM > *part section
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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2014, 09:27:32 PM »
thanks man, Checking it out I found the proper sizes but it shows 3 different for the o-rings over the oil jets, http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1972-honda-cb750k2/o/m9201#sch397744 #16, not sure what to make of that, is it supposed to be 2 o rings next to each other?

also from this fiche http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1972-honda-cb750k2/o/m9201#sch396355 I have no idea what those alignment pins (#3) are and no idea what #2 is...

For #16 in your first paragraph, i believe they changed sizes over the years and it just listing different sizes. You only need one size, not 2 next to each other.  The 2nd link didn't work on my computer, but searching on bike bandit I blieve it was the fiche of the cylinder jugs, in which case those would be the dowels and rubber gaskets that you showed in your first post that you do not need to use on your head. you should have alignment dowels around some of the cylinder studs, but not 8 as the fiche I believe you were looking at shows.

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2014, 09:28:10 PM »
oops someone beat me to it haha.

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2014, 09:31:33 PM »
The fische is the reason that people forget the other 2 oil jet o-rings, it doesn't show four so you only put two. Go with the small 4x2

Under the fische is a detailed list of the corresponding numbers and part. #15 is the thick head washer, not an o-ring

#12 is the correct 11x2.5 oring that YOU will need four of. 2 for case to cylinders, 2 for cylinders to head.

If you have all of the o-rings accounted for cylinders and upward then they could be for other parts of the engine. The five could be for the oil pump maybe? All of these kits have slightly different sized o-rings than a fische will detail. Oil pump has 3 dowel o-rings and then the other two I bet are for the oil lines external to the engine. That's what my kit had
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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 09:41:37 PM »
alright so definatly not 2 next to each other, and thats what I was thinking about for #16 just double checking. I grab some 4x2's from the store tomorrow and some 11x2.5's then since none of these fit that. Looking at the fische for the oil pump those are supposed to be 15x2.5 which is damn close to what I have but I only have 2 not 3... so thats weird.

looking at the fische on http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb750k2-four-usa_model14362/partslist/E22.html#results the the oil lines use 15x2.5 and theres only 2. Strange that those would be included in this kit though.

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2014, 11:08:59 PM »
Oil lines are always included. You can't do any rebuild without removing them. Technically a pump rebuild isn't. Part of a normal build. Kit wise I mean

Those oil line o-tings will be the same as the oil pump ones
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2014, 11:11:00 PM »
true, but I feel like theyd provide the 8 o rings that go in the engine rather then some oil line o rings that dont wear out as quickly...

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Re: CycleX gasket kit, o ring ID help 750k2, pics included
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2014, 01:57:44 AM »
Did you get the 3 x 18 mm that goes between the case halves around the oil passage? That's a hard one to find.
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2014, 01:59:44 AM »
I didnt split the case so not needed. But also no, those didnt come with.

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2014, 02:25:06 AM »
I ended up driving 150 miles during my search. Sounds crazy, I hit every place I could in town, a bike shop 30 miles away and an industrial supply that saw me coming and charged $12 for a (special high temp o ring we order for Alcoa) L0L.
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« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2014, 09:03:06 AM »
I ran into a few issues with the Cycle X gasket kit not being complete.   I also noticed that the gasket that goes between the jugs and head has the large holes in it.  According to HSB #42 I should have 8 o-rings to make up for the larger holes.  The serial number of my engine did not have the cut outs for the knock pins and knock pin seals.  However the o-rings/seals included in the kit are for engines with the higher serial numbers that had the knock pins.  Looking at the service bulletin I require the o-ring kit which is p/n 12115-300-305.  After some research I had success in acquiring them from Western Hills Honda.

Not sure if the above applies to your engine, but...

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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2014, 11:06:22 AM »
so If i have slightly larger holes around the cylinder studs I need some o rings in there to compensate? Any idea of the size of o-ring?

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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2014, 11:31:33 AM »
markb wrote that "Near as I can measure they are 14mm ID (17mm OD) and 1.5mm thick." 

When I rebuilt my engine I ordered a set from Western Hills Honda.  Unfortunately, I never thought to get some measurements of the o-rings.  Their number is 513-662-7759.  Ask for Terry in the vintage parts department.  However, when I ordered mine they only had a couple sets left and they priced them accordingly.  I think I paid $28 shipped for the package of 8 o-rings.
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2014, 11:55:06 AM »
markb wrote that "Near as I can measure they are 14mm ID (17mm OD) and 1.5mm thick." 

When I rebuilt my engine I ordered a set from Western Hills Honda.  Unfortunately, I never thought to get some measurements of the o-rings.  Their number is 513-662-7759.  Ask for Terry in the vintage parts department.  However, when I ordered mine they only had a couple sets left and they priced them accordingly.  I think I paid $28 shipped for the package of 8 o-rings.

so they're not round but flat? lovely. since theres no grove they just chill, centered by the holes in the gasket and the studs? if this is a rare package im sure this notice has got to be ignored often or another solution come up with...