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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2015, 08:59:07 PM »
This helps explain the national debt  ;D
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2015, 09:04:07 PM »
Terry,

We just don't have the right CEOs in place yet.  Work in progress, still too "old school" to adapt to the new economic pattern - which, in all fairness, hasn't appeared full-bloom yet. Give us a few years to catch up. Gonna be big change.

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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2015, 09:18:16 PM »
Best of luck mate, your CEO's have been selling you all down the river since Henry Ford, and I don't think you've got enough time left to change the "The rich get richer, but anything else is communism" mentality that you've all been brainwashed with, to keep you from revolting against those who are profiting from your compliance. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2015, 11:51:30 PM »
Without reading the two pages of posts I can off the cuff say I'm part of the majority. Now let's focus on Majority rule, without offending the rich guys here if we can.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2015, 04:33:45 AM »
How many of those 51% are actually working and not just sucking on the big government nipples?   Live with in your means. Work harder,(or smarter), and quit blaming someone else for your bad life decisions.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2015, 04:37:06 AM »
Here is a chart maybe you can understand.

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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2015, 06:01:35 AM »
Interesting story.  I want so badly to get out of this rut that I pretty much demanded that my friend tell me how his step son became so successful in business.

Here is what he said, Steven's grandfather was very successful at business and gave his grandson some seed money to try out different business ideas and it was ok if he failed.  The whole point was for Steven to learn business skills which he eventually mastered, and now he owns several properties and employs others in his company.

He would not have gotten there without the mentor-ship of his grandfather.  Both my grandfathers died when I was 5, and my dad was a factory worker his whole life until NAFA hit.

I know I will make it in a new job or a business opportunity as I am sick and tired of being broke all the time.  I may not have a rich grandfather with mad business skills, but I do have some good friends here who will point me in the right direction.

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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2015, 06:05:34 AM »
Cal I disagree about unions being all the problem, I think there was a period where both union and management both had a responsibility to negotiate fairly and honestly with each other and didn't, that fostered mistrust that worsened with each contract to the point where union busting was the norm and extreme "hatred" of any thing to do with management happened both forgetting that as a group they were strong. Of course stuff was moved off shore its easier to treat foreigners with contemp than it is people you know. This whole thing about us against them is crap it's like being in the air force you don't treat you ground crew like  #$%* unless you want to start walking home. I honestly don't understand why people on both sides can't retain that truth.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2015, 06:19:18 AM »
Cal I disagree about unions being all the problem, I think there was a period where both union and management both had a responsibility to negotiate fairly and honestly with each other and didn't, that fostered mistrust that worsened with each contract to the point where union busting was the norm and extreme "hatred" of any thing to do with management happened both forgetting that as a group they were strong. Of course stuff was moved off shore its easier to treat foreigners with contemp than it is people you know. This whole thing about us against them is crap it's like being in the air force you don't treat you ground crew like  #$%* unless you want to start walking home. I honestly don't understand why people on both sides can't retain that truth.
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Well put. My response was not as PC so I withheld it.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2015, 06:54:11 AM »
Not entering the political debate that Bob will soon lock down.

Chewy - if you had been in IT down here in Austin for 15 years, you'd be making well over $100K. 

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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2015, 07:21:02 AM »
Not entering the political debate that Bob will soon lock down.

Chewy - if you had been in IT down here in Austin  Florida for 15 years, you'd be making well over $100K  under $50K

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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2015, 07:24:20 AM »
Sorry, but you can't blame over-paid CEOs, foreign countries or wealthy 10%-ers for the terrible choices individuals make. ... And too many Americans never stop to think about the consequences of their financial dealings.

Gee, does this mean there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine or that we can't expect to get something for nothing forever, that we should expect (and demand) others bail us out from our own stupid, short-sighted decisions?  Personally I think I should only have to live for today and not worry about tomorrow, and if I get sick because I won't take care of myself, eating, and drinking to excess and sitting around on my ass getting fat, others should take care of that, too.  Who's with me? ;)
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2015, 07:43:51 AM »
Sorry, but you can't blame over-paid CEOs, foreign countries or wealthy 10%-ers for the terrible choices individuals make. ... And too many Americans never stop to think about the consequences of their financial dealings.

Gee, does this mean there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine or that we can't expect to get something for nothing forever, that we should expect (and demand) others bail us out from our own stupid, short-sighted decisions?  Personally I think I should only have to live for today and not worry about tomorrow, and if I get sick because I won't take care of myself, eating, and drinking to excess and sitting around on my ass getting fat, others should take care of that, too.  Who's with me? ;)

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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2015, 07:55:51 AM »
Here is something I have NEVER understood: how can ANY economy survive as a "service economy"? Someone has to BUILD the 'stuff' that is to be "serviced", or the whole thing will implode, and quickly, as nothing is actually being produced.

...and software is one of the things that implodes faster than any other 'product' ever created, IMHO...but then, I've only been writing software since 1970, so what do I know?

It doesn't. That is why you have seen a decline of our economy since the 50's. Manufacturing will not come back until labor becomes cheap here again and that will take a long time as far as stock quarterlies are concerned.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2015, 08:56:05 AM »

We SHOULD build things, we SHOULD be a leader in the world economy of manufacturing but we should also realize that these changes may result in concurrent changes in how we live our life, and maybe even the motorcycles we own.  I know that's sacrilege, but we are the smartest country on the damned planet!  We can do better.


And that's the problem, despite what you keep telling yourselves, the US is nowhere near the smartest country on the damned planet, or else China wouldn't be kicking your arse. You've voted (well, some of you have voted) for governments who've allowed your corrupt, heartless CEO's to export your manufacturing offshore to reduce manufacturing costs, without exporting your workers, who are still being born, but born into economic misery.

My son brought home a 1950's era toolbox that belonged to his girlfriend's uncle, who'd recently passed. Every tool in that toolbox was made in either the US, Britain or Australia. While some of those brands still exist, I'll bet that most are now made in China. How smart is that?  :-\

Smart if you are the CEO or stockholder of that company. Ultimately stupid because what happens when nobody here can afford to buy that junk you produce? Henry Ford was smart enough to know he needed to supply a wage where his employees could afford to buy his product.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2015, 09:16:56 AM »
Just like any life, the growth of usa's economy...we, probably most of us here on sohc, were a part of its life. Interesting to think that we, too may be living in the end times of humanity, on a major scale. Tracing back in time, they only told me I was born, but I don't remember it, so I can't say I believe it. However many years ago that we started to get a way from stone tools and into industrialized capacity is is mind boggling. Key factors in growth are connected points, as in roads and freeways, to build cities, subdivisions. Everything came together perfectly. Wages to build construction projects reflect the cost of materials, the complex nature/hazards of projects demanded experienced engineers. Those cost will never go down, wages should not either. I don't like bragging, but I haven't worked for over 10 years, dropped out the game, no income at all, no home, no bills, no worries, after 30 booming years in infrastructure, massive earth work developments. One thing I automatically put aside, thinking it'll carry me through, some motorcycles, and a pretty good outlook. Not much of anything else. We seen some of the best times, we nailed it, those times are rapidly changing.
 

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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2015, 12:58:10 PM »
You have it wrong there cal. Unions are needed now more than ever for the average joe. The problem is like all institutions over time they become corrupted and must be disassembled and reformed.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2015, 01:12:23 PM »
There is NO solution Jimmy. The economy in the US is too far gone. (You must have missed that point I made earlier).

Do I have a solution? Nope. Nobody does. There is no solution.

There is always a solution Cal. The US isn't going to cease to exsisting.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2015, 01:56:49 PM »
You have it wrong there cal. Unions are needed now more than ever for the average joe. The problem is like all institutions over time they become corrupted and must be disassembled and reformed.

100% accurate. Public unions are a serious problem, CalTrans in California are an example, if you can get hired there, you don't have do no more work, just show up and claim an achy pain to get either light duty or workmans comp. They get lazy and cry all kinds of discrimination, they can't get fired...meanwhile if there is any real work other than maintenance they have to sub that out to a private contractor which are normally signatory contractors with labor trade.

A good example of what's going on with some huge changes. I could be slightly biased from what I know of other unions. I don't know if Hostess Bakers Union is public or private with stock options, what I do know is the bakers were making approx 20.00 from a company that has banked profits while being a union supported. Supervision probably isn't a union member, the CEO for instance making his millions, had made some poor decisions or was in a position at a time when economic bubble was popoped. For Hostess then to offer a 10% cut in wages or they'd hire non union bakers was an atrocious mistake, had they negotiated a freeze in wages that'd probably went over ok. There's no way I'd give up 10% of my income that had to be fought the last time to adjust for cost of living. If it wasn't for the wages the unions set, there'd be some serious poverty in this nation. And what happens when non union companies start undercuting bids and then charge extras to make ends meet, the project takes a crap. If contracts are awarded to non  union companies or lets say if unions are wiped out, this place will resemble our developing poor state neighbor of Mexico. That's what will happen.

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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2015, 02:23:06 PM »

We SHOULD build things, we SHOULD be a leader in the world economy of manufacturing but we should also realize that these changes may result in concurrent changes in how we live our life, and maybe even the motorcycles we own.  I know that's sacrilege, but we are the smartest country on the damned planet!  We can do better.


And that's the problem, despite what you keep telling yourselves, the US is nowhere near the smartest country on the damned planet, or else China wouldn't be kicking your arse. You've voted (well, some of you have voted) for governments who've allowed your corrupt, heartless CEO's to export your manufacturing offshore to reduce manufacturing costs, without exporting your workers, who are still being born, but born into economic misery.

My son brought home a 1950's era toolbox that belonged to his girlfriend's uncle, who'd recently passed. Every tool in that toolbox was made in either the US, Britain or Australia. While some of those brands still exist, I'll bet that most are now made in China. How smart is that?  :-\

Smart if you are the CEO or stockholder of that company. Ultimately stupid because what happens when nobody here can afford to buy that junk you produce? Henry Ford was smart enough to know he needed to supply a wage where his employees could afford to buy his product.

Henry Ford was no hero mate, he also had his own private army of "strike breakers" who beat striking union workers, and surprise, surprise, no charges were ever laid.

Sure, unions are also often as corrupt as big business, we've had some big news stories in recent years about union executives who've used union members fees to live the high life, or have blackmailed construction companies for "kickbacks" to ensure that there's no expensive delays in project completion etc, but the notion that unions are the culprits for the collapse of America's industry, is just bullsh1t.

The fact is that greedy company CEO's have moved their manufacturing to developing countries like China, Bangladesh, Cambodia and India etc, where there are no unions, and the people there are paid a few dollars a month to work in the worst possible conditions.

If anyone here thinks that this should be the model for America, then it speaks volumes about their own morality. Remember, before the west started exploiting developing countries, their companies were still making huge profits while paying their own workers a decent wage. "The rich get richer, and to think anything different, is communism"................  :-\

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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2015, 02:33:17 PM »
Oh, I know he was no hero. Ford had serious issues we won't dive into here but like I said he was smart enough to know he had to pay his workers enough to be able to buy the products he created. CEOs today are too stupid to realize this.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2015, 03:13:16 PM »
Bill/Wilbur - my point on unions is the modern unions. Time was they were needed and important. That time passed and they have morphed into corrupt oligarchs that screw the members, extort their contractors, and enrich only themselves.


I can't argue against the idea that labor unions have often been their own worst enemy. Many of the misguided roadblocks designed to restrict the influence of labor unions have contributed to, albeit not exclusively, the problem.

For instance, once closed shops were outlawed, and "right to work (for less)" laws were implemented, local unions were left with few tools to even be able to police their own members. How can an organization enforce working rules (including conduct and performance) on its own members, when that member can simply decide not to participate within that organization, yet continue to work at the same job, with the same employer, with nearly the same contractual benefits?

I will agree, there is no easy (if any) answer. Corporate greed is a constant and will not go away. I truly believe ABC's "Made In USA" campaign has contributed in a small way to the current economic recovery, even if only to educate John Q. Public about part of what is going wrong.

Of course "Made In USA" sounds empty when stated on a support forum for imported machines!   :o ;)
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2015, 03:22:17 PM »
Wow, This has been a civil debate , and yes there are many different models and pie charts made by every gov. agency. The fact is that over 57 % of our collected tax revenue is being spent under the heading of defence.  Less than 10 % is spent on welfare , so that isn't killing us.
  I don't want to pop anyone's balloon but this economy will never be better, there isn't enough time to fix it before the effects of global warming are realized. Sh1t will hit the fan and it will be a whole new ball game globally. If we are expecting or even hoping to survive it we have some personal decisions to make regarding where we should live, what we should know, and how prepared we want to get.
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2015, 03:36:10 PM »
"the paris terror shooting thread" vas klosed in one day...to political....this,, go"e on and on...why..?
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Re: RE: 51% of Americans made less than 29,999.99K per year in 2014
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2015, 03:55:47 PM »
Global warming isn't relevant to this debate as, even if there is any effect at all over the world's usual natural disasters, it will happen gradually, as it has for thousands of years. Of course, if there was no global warming, we'd still be in the ice age, and mankind would likely have ceased to exist thousands of years ago, so gradual natural global warming isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Industry needs to continue to clean up it's act to further reduce it's contribution to global warming, as opposed to natural global warming caused by emissions from volcanoes and forest fires etc, which have been the main source of global warming since before the industrial age. I don't think the effects of global warming will make much difference to future generations either, mankind is resilient enough to adapt and overcome whatever nature throws at us. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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