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Falcon Heavy & Starman
« on: February 07, 2018, 02:08:02 AM »
SpaceX had a successful launch today.

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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2018, 04:46:23 AM »
 Saw that and it was pretty awesome. I really enjoyed watching the two booster rockets landing together back on the pad. They lost the live signal of the main rocket landing out on the pad in the ocean,will have to see if there is some video of that.  Hope the car is enjoying its journey  :D

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2018, 05:07:55 AM »
Aside from the technical achievement - which has to be applauded - I do not quite understand why we need to waste that kind of money.. :o
Launching a space rocket and shooting a car into orbit...
The money could have been spent for better things to further the country and society.
Besides, were does  Elon Musk get the funds? He does not make any money with Tesla.
I am afraid, one of these days he goes down as one of the biggest scam artists in history.... Mark my words!!!
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2018, 08:03:15 AM »
satellites is big money-telecommunication- and good for society. So are earth observation satellites. That’s where the money comes from. And military of course. Mission to Mars, well you got to do something when bored.

3th stage ran out of fuel and crashed.

And I agree it was great to see

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2018, 09:04:35 AM »
Aside from the technical achievement - which has to be applauded - I do not quite understand why we need to waste that kind of money.. :o
Launching a space rocket and shooting a car into orbit...
The money could have been spent for better things to further the country and society.
Besides, were does  Elon Musk get the funds? He does not make any money with Tesla.
I am afraid, one of these days he goes down as one of the biggest scam artists in history.... Mark my words!!!

We will eventually need to leave this planet when we exhaust the resources on it if we don't annihilate ourselves first.
How do you propose we do that, willpower?
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2018, 10:08:05 AM »
We will eventually need to leave this planet when we exhaust the resources on it if we don't annihilate ourselves first.
How do you propose we do that, willpower?

I am sure, you will find a way.
On the other hand, I don't know, whether humans are worth surviving. The species may go the way of dinosaurs. What would be so unusual about it? Other forms of life may be better suited to survive.
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Re: Falcon Heavy & Starman
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2018, 10:16:41 AM »
Aside from the technical achievement - which has to be applauded - I do not quite understand why we need to waste that kind of money.. :o
Launching a space rocket and shooting a car into orbit...
The money could have been spent for better things to further the country and society.
Besides, were does  Elon Musk get the funds? He does not make any money with Tesla.
I am afraid, one of these days he goes down as one of the biggest scam artists in history.... Mark my words!!!

"We" didn't waste any money.

I don't understand the need for people to declare that someone spending their own money or money raised from private sources and not the government should not be spending said money as they see fit.

Musk got his original fortune when he sold PayPal, which he helped invent, to eBay. He seeded Tesla personally and much of the money spent by SpaceX has come from investors.

What you are saying about Tesla is very similar to what I used to say about Amazon. Losing money every year isn't a model for a successful business. Yet Bezos persevered and investors bought in and now it makes billions.

Tesla might not achieve the same thing, but what it has achieved, selling truly practical electric cars and building out a nationwide charging network is remarkable. Tesla might ultimately fail, but to claim that it is a scam is ignorance.

What SpaceX has achieved is equally amazing. It is also disheartening that the US abandoned a true space program decades ago. If we had continued to build on the successes of Apollo who knows what could have been achieved. Bases on the moon, asteroid mining, practical solar power. Kudos to Musk and Bezos and other tech entrepreneurs for continuing to dream big.
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Re: Falcon Heavy & Starman
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2018, 11:28:47 AM »
Aside from the technical achievement - which has to be applauded - I do not quite understand why we need to waste that kind of money.. :o
Launching a space rocket and shooting a car into orbit...
The money could have been spent for better things to further the country and society.
Besides, were does  Elon Musk get the funds? He does not make any money with Tesla.
I am afraid, one of these days he goes down as one of the biggest scam artists in history.... Mark my words!!!

I think your post assumes inaccurate facts.

This was not a public space agency funded by the government but a private firm (Space X), conducting a necessary test to show it is capable of heavy lift operations.  Would you rather we just trust what a space transporter can deliver?  Neither does our government.  Before putting precious cargo onto a spacecraft, most governments and private firms want to know that the private provider can deliver the service in a safe, reliable fashion.  I guess you'd rather have the government just trust that the system works and put lives and property to a first "test"??

The origins of Musk's fortune has been reported and the information is readily available in his biography.  PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, Solarcity to name a few.  Tesla has been profitable (I don't know what data you are relying on).

Launching a car was a substitute for other comparable weight ballast.  Perhaps you would have preferred to see a solid chuck of steel or a container of water launched.  Musk thought it would create a larger public impact by launching a car in his private collection. 

Is Musk a showman.  Yes.  Is he a technology disruptor?  Yes. 

His larger faults appear to be more personal with relationships and how incredibly hard he works his employees.  But people take jobs with him wanting to make their mark and achieve non-ordinary goals.  Personally, I'd never work for the guy.

If you think he's a scam artist, do not invest in his companies, do not buy his products and contact your local congressional representative to share your opinions.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2018, 01:38:24 PM »
On the other hand, I don't know, whether humans are worth surviving. The species may go the way of dinosaurs. What would be so unusual about it? Other forms of life may be better suited to survive.

Pretty much agree with that sentiment.

As long as humans place more belief in the laws of human nature/superiority rather than the laws of physics, they aren't worth surviving, imo.  We've spent generations attempting to avoid or circumvent physical laws and mostly at the expense of every species on this planet, including our own.

I'm not looking to eliminate them myself, mind you.  But, I decided long ago to not add to the population by having offspring.  This society simply doesn't deserve expansion.

Mankind evolved in the ideal environment for the species.  Packaging that environment for off world survival is highly inefficient and wasteful of resources.

I love science fiction stories.  But the fact is, humans simply can't survive off this world in any part of this solar systems without being supremely dependent on a technology developed by fallible humans.  It's an ultimately self destructive endeavor.
Any off world colony will be reduced to a slavers environment by the homo sapien need to control everything and be more privileged than the rest.  (more free, if you will).  Someone or group will manipulate control, and the rest will do what you are told if you want to continue existence, their is no possibility of escaping the environmental control support mechanism.

Cripes, it's happening right now on our current planet.  We are being conditioned as we speak.   Carbon emission tax.  How long till simply exhaling benefits someone else who is "in control" elected or not.
Water, is an increasing topic now.  Water rates continue to rise.  And there is the ongoing threat of rationing.  The "people" must pay.  Anyone had a reduction?  These are fundamental needs to the species survival.  Whoever wrangles "control" can dictate if you live, unless their whims are placated.
70% of earth's surface is water.  Those with means would rather launch a car into orbit than make that water available for their own species.

The basic fact that gads of resources were expended to orbit a car, for whimsical reasons, rather than focusing on other more impactful projects to actually improve human prosperity and improvement, supports the fact that humans are far too selfish pursuing their own whims than have any regard for the quality of life of their own species.

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.  Why is it that doing something you should has far less notoriety than doing something outrageously wasteful, or outlandish?  Answer: that's the human way.

What possible reason would an extraterestial want to interface with such a manipulative and domineering species?

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2018, 02:50:06 PM »
Wow - the controversy and conspiracy this launch has brought to the surface.

The flat-earthers have lost their minds, the fiscal conservatives are pointing fingers.  So many people just talking out their butts...

My old man did it too, the "why a car?" criticism.  I asked him what he would do if he was testing a rocket and planned to colonize mars?

My only gripe about the falcon heavy is "why is starman taking the long route to mars?".  I wanna see starman over the red planet sometime in my life!
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2018, 03:45:22 PM »
I got to see the launch on my way home yesterday. I've seen a handful of launches from right at the three mile limit while doing work at the space center, which were very cool. According to the report I heard this afternoon is that the rocket missed its mark and spaceman is headed for the asteroid belt...
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2018, 04:46:48 PM »
I'd rather depend on industry to get us into space than NASA.

Industry has to get results, they have to respond to market pressures and deliver what the public wants - even if they have to tell us what we want first.  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2018, 05:26:27 PM »
It is amazing to me... that allegedly 50 years ago, with computers that had less power than a Commodore Vic20... we went to the moon, 220,000 miles away. And here we are, speculating about going to Mars, colonies on the Moon, etc. Well, all we have accomplished is to orbit the earth at 220 miles, in the Space Station.
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2018, 05:40:49 PM »
 Whatever the politics it was an awesome launch and test. Elon tweeted the third booster was pretty crispy, set down hard and used up most of the crumple zone.
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2018, 08:41:09 PM »
On the other hand, I don't know, whether humans are worth surviving.

Some are, some aren't. ::)
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2018, 10:51:06 PM »
from two tired.
"What possible reason would an extraterestial want to interface with such a manipulative and domineering species?"

well your #$%*ing earth car just cut my flying saucer off!didnt even use his intergalactic indicator!

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2018, 01:09:42 AM »


We will eventually need to leave this planet when we exhaust the resources on it if we don't annihilate ourselves first.
How do you propose we do that, willpower?
They plan on relocating every human on this planet or just a select few in order for our DNA to continue? Have you ever watched Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? The original version is better by the way but they whoever they is may load up all worthless SOB's in a ship destined for a crash landing some where else. Musk must've seen the movie because I noticed the words DON'T PANIC on the dashboard display. :)
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2018, 01:58:23 AM »
a Harley didn't get sent up,it was decided it wouldn't endure the lift off g force as no Harley has ever gone faster than a falling stone backwards?

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2018, 05:25:58 AM »

I think your post assumes inaccurate facts.

 
  Tesla has been profitable (I don't know what data you are relying on).

 
 


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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2018, 06:55:25 AM »


We will eventually need to leave this planet when we exhaust the resources on it if we don't annihilate ourselves first.
How do you propose we do that, willpower?
They plan on relocating every human on this planet or just a select few in order for our DNA to continue? Have you ever watched Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? The original version is better by the way but they whoever they is may load up all worthless SOB's in a ship destined for a crash landing some where else. Musk must've seen the movie because I noticed the words DON'T PANIC on the dashboard display. :)

I laughed out loud quite hard at work when I saw that. I like Musk's humor.
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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2018, 06:58:34 AM »
Whatever the politics it was an awesome launch and test. Elon tweeted the third booster was pretty crispy, set down hard and used up most of the crumple zone.

I wonder what the insurance deductible would be on the third booster.
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2018, 07:33:24 AM »

I think your post assumes inaccurate facts.

 
  Tesla has been profitable (I don't know what data you are relying on).

 
 


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42980841

LOL. Yes Tesla reported its worst quarter in company history yesterday.   You, however, said, "He does not make any money with Tesla."  That assumes that Tesla has never turned a profit, which is inaccurate. 
Zip2, PayPal, SpaceX, Tesla, SolarCity have each netted him substantial wealth.

Do you want to make a side bet that in a year's time, Tesla will be profitable?  I would venture to guess that after a year of full production and delivery of the Model 3, Tesla's profits may erase any of its posted recent losses.

On a personal relationships level, the guy appears to be an asshat.
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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
2016+ Triumph Thruxton 1200 R (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,170198.0.html) - Sold

Offline Bankerdanny

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Re: Falcon Heavy & Starman
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2018, 09:07:47 AM »
Saw this on Facebook today and thought it was brilliant.
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Re: Falcon Heavy & Starman
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 09:29:10 AM »
a Harley didn't get sent up,it was decided it wouldn't endure the lift off g force as no Harley has ever gone faster than a falling stone backwards?

Plus, the brakes may have failed, eliminating that syncing orbit and overshooting the target... hmmm
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Re: Falcon Heavy & Starman
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2018, 10:42:29 AM »


 LOL. Yes Tesla reported its worst quarter in company history yesterday.   You, however, said, "He does not make any money with Tesla."  That assumes that Tesla has never turned a profit, which is inaccurate. 
 

   

Why does my statement, that Tesla does not make any money assume it never turned a profit??
Even so, if it did, I would like to know when?
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